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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by suryag » Wed May 09, 2018 10:49 am

India TV's Final Opinion Poll- BJP 85 seats, Congress 96, JDS+ 38, Others 4

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by Primus » Wed May 09, 2018 11:17 am

Chandragupta wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 6:34 am
Kabir wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 1:35 am
Chandragupta wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 6:27 am


This is a civilizational flaw. Why did so many Hindu kings gave land to Abrahamics who then invited more of their ilk and genocided the local population itself. Why to this day so many dhimmi Hindus go to the mazar of the bastard Chisti in Ajmer? Even today there is no clarity of thought in majority of Hindus about who their enemies are, just care about making money and abusing anyone who shows them the mirror.
Is there a particular sufi in the Chisti order you are talking about? Many people go to Nizamuddin and haven't heard anything negative about him. I know we have dissed many sufis on BRF but not sure whats with one at Ajmer dargah
Plenty of resources on Google if you search.

But crux is that Sufis were the spies of Jehadis - they softened the Hindus for assault and passed crucial information to the jehadis waiting to slaughter the infidels.

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=uHN ... ad&f=false
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Post by KJo » Wed May 09, 2018 1:51 pm

Chandragupta wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 6:34 am
Kabir wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 1:35 am
Chandragupta wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 6:27 am


This is a civilizational flaw. Why did so many Hindu kings gave land to Abrahamics who then invited more of their ilk and genocided the local population itself. Why to this day so many dhimmi Hindus go to the mazar of the bastard Chisti in Ajmer? Even today there is no clarity of thought in majority of Hindus about who their enemies are, just care about making money and abusing anyone who shows them the mirror.
Is there a particular sufi in the Chisti order you are talking about? Many people go to Nizamuddin and haven't heard anything negative about him. I know we have dissed many sufis on BRF but not sure whats with one at Ajmer dargah
Plenty of resources on Google if you search.

But crux is that Sufis were the spies of Jehadis - they softened the Hindus for assault and passed crucial information to the jehadis waiting to slaughter the infidels.

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=uHN ... ad&f=false
I found the PDF online.

http://guruprasad.net/wp-content/upload ... lavery.pdf

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by KL Dubey » Wed May 09, 2018 1:51 pm

^^Minor discrepancy in the graphic versus the updated tracker with the full list of 224 seats:

http://5forty3.in/chunavpedia/index.php ... 18_Tracker

The list shows the distribution as 32-62-97-33.
As of now BJP is ahead in 97 assembly segments whereas Congress has leads in 63 seats. JDS has also shown remarkable resilience by taking pole position in 32 seats. There are 32 swing seats as of now, of which 5 are swinging towards smaller parties and independents. Essentially, these remaining 26 swing seats will decide whether BJP gets a full majority on its own or whether it would still need the support of JDS. If the current trend towards BJP continues, it is quite likely that Congress may even have to fight hard to retain the position of the main opposition party.

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by Primus » Wed May 09, 2018 9:00 pm

Just saw Amit Shah's very brief interview with India TV's reporter during his 'road show'. His confidence is truly amazing. The last time I saw him this sure of himself was during the UP elections where he told the Zee TV guy Sudhir Chaudhary in a very calm tone that BJP would win massively. He kept repeating he knows the situation on the ground better than the opposition.

Of course this may just be bluster but who knows, 543 maybe right and this election too may end up being a huge shock for the Congress.

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Post by Hari Seldon » Thu May 10, 2018 1:27 am

^ Saar, Amitbhai shah has no choice other than to look confident only.

He was confident similarly in 2015 too, before the DL and BH polls.

In DL at least the BJP retained its vote-share suggesting his info networks from the booth level sangathan or org infrastructure was accurate.

Here, we'll have to wait and see. Hoping and praying INC gets the royal boot. Also hoping the JDS is cut to size with zero kingmaker role. 3 continuous terms out of office and spoils should hopefully fold them up. Or so I hope.

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by Lilo » Thu May 10, 2018 3:08 am

Bunch of newer surveys like India TV and TimesNow VMR are showing Congies winning KA .As do all poll of polls the channels are running.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/elections/k ... day-441406

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/times- ... 884494.cms

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Post by Nandu » Thu May 10, 2018 4:07 am

Lilo wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 3:08 am
Bunch of newer surveys like India TV and TimesNow VMR are showing Congies winning KA .As do all poll of polls the channels are running.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/elections/k ... day-441406

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/times- ... 884494.cms
I thought publication of results of opinion polls are banned by the election commission and that only exit polls are allowed. Has that been since modified?

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Post by Deans » Thu May 10, 2018 5:05 am

All the major opinion polls (incl. 543) broadly say the following:

1. BJP+JD(S) can comfortably form the govt. Cong on its own cannot get a majority in any survey.
2. BJP will get around 35% vote share (8% below LS 14 is what has happened in every state election after 2014). Where seat forecasts vary is in
how this vote hare gets translated to seats. 543 (whose understanding of statistics seems soundest) suggests that after crossing 35% any
increase in vote share results in disproportionate seat gain to BJP - that explains why their seat prediction is higher than other polls.

The newer surveys are not `new' they have just been released before polls to either get more eyeballs or change perceptions.

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by la.khan » Thu May 10, 2018 10:38 am

When RaGa said he may be the next PM in GE2019, people laughed at him. Please do not laugh at him till you watch this video, from recent election campaign in Karnataka assembly polls.
https://twitter.com/TajinderBagga/statu ... 7874120704 :facepalm:

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by Primus » Thu May 10, 2018 11:11 am

Hari Seldon wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 1:27 am
^ Saar, Amitbhai shah has no choice other than to look confident only.

He was confident similarly in 2015 too, before the DL and BH polls.

In DL at least the BJP retained its vote-share suggesting his info networks from the booth level sangathan or org infrastructure was accurate.

Here, we'll have to wait and see. Hoping and praying INC gets the royal boot. Also hoping the JDS is cut to size with zero kingmaker role. 3 continuous terms out of office and spoils should hopefully fold them up. Or so I hope.
Ummeed par duniya kayam hai (the world lives on hope).

From what I see in the news and various such videos, there is a lot more popular support for BJP than the Congress. Anti-incumbency is a huge factor (almost lost Gujarat for BJP) always and this time too it must play a role. If people cannot see the corruption that is rampant in any Cong administration they do not deserve any better. Problem may be that the BJP leaders at state level may be equally corrupt. I don't know enough to comment on this.


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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by Sachin » Thu May 10, 2018 11:33 am

Primus wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:11 am
administration they do not deserve any better. Problem may be that the BJP leaders at state level may be equally corrupt. I don't know enough to comment on this.
They are!! Not really surprising as KA politics has been a rich man's game for quite some time. That is why I want a hung verdict this time. Let no party get an absolute majority. JD(S) may actually become the king maker here. KA BJP leadership if they get a 100% victory would start behaving in their usual way, giving the "seculars" enough and more brooms to hit the central government. And once they are in power, they may also not give two hoots to the central BJP leadership as well.

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by manju » Thu May 10, 2018 12:43 pm

Sachin wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:33 am
Primus wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:11 am
administration they do not deserve any better. Problem may be that the BJP leaders at state level may be equally corrupt. I don't know enough to comment on this.
They are!! Not really surprising as KA politics has been a rich man's game for quite some time. That is why I want a hung verdict this time. Let no party get an absolute majority. JD(S) may actually become the king maker here. KA BJP leadership if they get a 100% victory would start behaving in their usual way, giving the "seculars" enough and more brooms to hit the central government. And once they are in power, they may also not give two hoots to the central BJP leadership as well.
My hope

BJP forms government with JDS - this means

- Congress ATM cut
- Local KA BJP idiots cont get too cocky
- 2019 Victory is smoothened
- Then after 2019, BJP can dissolve assembly...hopefully Modi and central BJP (and RSS) can swing the big danda and clean up Karnatka BJP team..

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by ashokk » Thu May 10, 2018 3:52 pm

We will come to power in Karnataka with 130 seats or more, says Amit Shah
BENGALURU: BJP national president Amit Shah on Thursday exuded confidence on the last day of campaigning for the Karnataka elections 2018 and said that the party will come back to power with an absolute majority winning at least 130 seats.
"Over the last one month I have travelled over 50,000 kilometers in the state. The media has been constantly quizzing me about the number of seats BJP will win at the elections. Today, based on the feedback from the BJP workers, I can confidently tell you that we will come to power with 130 seats and more,” said Amit Shah.

On whether the BJP is open to an alliance with the JD(S) if it does not secure absolute majority, Amit Shah dismissed the possibility and said there is no question of an alliance when the party is confident of securing absolute majority on its own.

Questioned if the move by BS Yeddyurappa to announce the date of his swearing-in ceremony was BJP's “over confidence” on display, Amit Shah said it was not Yeddyurappa's over-confidence but he was also certain about the BJP coming to power.

Meanwhile, responding to a question on whether Yeddyurappa will remain the chief minister for the entire five-year term, considering his age and the previous experience of three chief ministers of the BJP between 2008 and 2013, Amit Shah said there was no doubt that Yeddyurappa will be the CM for the entire tenure.

“The last time, at the Centre, there was a government which was keen on bringing down state governments. This time, the Narendra Modi government at the centre will stand by Yeddyurappa like a mountain and he will complete his five-year term if BJP comes to power,” said Shah.

The BJP national president also hinted that the “rising star” of the Karnataka BJP, B Sreeramulu may very well become the deputy chief minister if the party comes to power.

“I would only say this much, when we achieve victory at the May 12 elections, all the leaders from the party will sit together and have an absolute frank discussion on all possiblities,” he said.

Retorting on the statement by all India Congress committee (AICC) president Rahul Gandhi of becoming the prime ministerial aspirant of the Congress party: “There is no harm in him aspiring. His aspirations of becoming the prime minister has as much a chance as that of any common man at this point in time.”

Shah admitted that the Karnataka elections was a fight of ideologies, but said that the ideology of the Congress was to join hands with communal forces and anti-national outfits like the Socialist Democratic Party of India (SDPI) and the Popular Front of India (PFI).

Responding to a question on whether the admission of Prime Minister Narendra Modi at a rally in Ballari that the district was evidence of illegal mining was an admission of guilt that it was the party leaders who were involved in it at its height, BJP national president Amit Shah said: “None of our current BJP leaders, candidates or campaigners are involved in illegal mining.”

He once again reiterated that his word is final on the BJP’s association with Gali Janardhana Reddy, despite the party state president B S Yeddyurappa giving a public statement that he has forgiven Janardhana Reddy and was an integral part of the party campaign.

“Let anybody say anything. My word is final and I say that the BJP has nothing to do with Janardhana Reddy,” said Shah.

Kannada pride has never been celebrated by Siddramaiah govt: Amit Shah

Amit Shah slammed the Congress government and said Siddaramaiah has all along been harping upon the Kannada pride but had never bothered to celebrate it during his tenure.

“When they speak of ‘Kannad pride’, there are several big names who have contributed towards it including people like Hakka-Bukka of the Vijayanagar empire, Ranu Chennamma, Veera Madhakari Nayaka, Kempegowda, Kuvempu and Da Ra Bendre. But instead the government decided to celebrate the jayanthis of Tipu Sultan and Bahamani sultanate. The people have realised this farce that the Congress is playing for votebank and minority appeasement politics,” he said.

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Post by crams » Thu May 10, 2018 4:08 pm

la.khan wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 10:38 am
When RaGa said he may be the next PM in GE2019, people laughed at him. Please do not laugh at him till you watch this video, from recent election campaign in Karnataka assembly polls.
https://twitter.com/TajinderBagga/statu ... 7874120704 :facepalm:
Boss is that video really authentic or fake? Because in Indian politics, if you speak the right caste language, even a donkey dressed up as Pappu (no insult meant for donkeys) will garner more support on a motorcade tour. If that video is true, it must be truly embarrassing to Pappu and his handlers.

And I don't mean to mock Indian electorate. Even in world's 'greatest' democracy USA, if you paint an orangutan white with Trump look-like features (once again, no offense meant to our orangutan ancestors ), millions of "lets go USA wof wof" whites will line up the streets expressing effusive support.

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Post by crams » Thu May 10, 2018 4:20 pm

Guys, this kind of bragging doesn't impress me. Recall, during Gujarat elections, Amit Shah was boasting 150 seats till the last day. And Pappu and his slaves gave him a close shave. So lets wait and watch. I am a little worried about all these fake voter IDs and such. Hope BJP is matching Pappu in dirty games and tricks.

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Post by crams » Thu May 10, 2018 4:33 pm

Its pathetic how many supporters even educated Lutyen scum bags that this clown has. More Indian than most Indians, my blood foot. Living off the loot and sycophancy of corrupt traitors, this is such a cruel joke. And it makes me literally throw out my gut with nausea that an ordinary SDRE will be treated like dirt in Italy and we have this uneducated Italian clown being hoisted as PM of us SDREs. Ackkkk Thooo.

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Post by Primus » Thu May 10, 2018 4:37 pm

Sachin wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:33 am
Primus wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:11 am
administration they do not deserve any better. Problem may be that the BJP leaders at state level may be equally corrupt. I don't know enough to comment on this.
They are!! Not really surprising as KA politics has been a rich man's game for quite some time. That is why I want a hung verdict this time. Let no party get an absolute majority. JD(S) may actually become the king maker here. KA BJP leadership if they get a 100% victory would start behaving in their usual way, giving the "seculars" enough and more brooms to hit the central government. And once they are in power, they may also not give two hoots to the central BJP leadership as well.

This is the problem the BJP must be facing every time in state elections. What to do about the rogues within? Modi can only find a few Yogis.

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Post by Primus » Thu May 10, 2018 4:47 pm

crams wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 4:33 pm
Its pathetic how many supporters even educated Lutyen scum bags that this clown has. More Indian than most Indians, my blood foot. Living off the loot and sycophancy of corrupt traitors, this is such a cruel joke. And it makes me literally throw out my gut with nausea that an ordinary SDRE will be treated like dirt in Italy and we have this uneducated Italian clown being hoisted as PM of us SDREs. Ackkkk Thooo.
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The Brits left 70 yrs ago, but the Indian still looks up to the white man/woman as his superior. That is the problem. It will take a while for this to work itself out of our system, until we can be a stronger economy and a stronger international power than everyone but China and the US. Get the UN security council to throw out the has-beens like the UK and France first. Why do they still deserve permanency and a veto power?

Nobody messes with Chinese citizens anywhere in the world, their country has shown itself ready to defend its people across borders whether it is with soft power, money or military might. When they travel abroad, they are seen as uncivilized and crude but boy do people want them and their money! Nobody treats them like dirt any more.

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Post by crams » Thu May 10, 2018 5:01 pm

I feel this is the time some big wig from RW must show some b@lls and confront Pappu and his slaves with the truth and if Luytyen media raises a storm, confront it head on, namely, if the so called 'more Indian than many Indians' Italian bar maid turned queen in India Sonia were dark-skinned and not from the dynasty, she would be ignored or treated with contempt. Truth hurts. All this BS that Congoons will pt out, namely, their elevation of Sonia to queendom is a measure of "India's pluralism' is such a cart load of rubbish and fraud of the highest order.

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Re: Election Discussions - National, State etc

Post by Lilo » Thu May 10, 2018 5:42 pm

manju wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 12:43 pm
Sachin wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:33 am

They are!! Not really surprising as KA politics has been a rich man's game for quite some time. That is why I want a hung verdict this time. Let no party get an absolute majority. JD(S) may actually become the king maker here. KA BJP leadership if they get a 100% victory would start behaving in their usual way, giving the "seculars" enough and more brooms to hit the central government. And once they are in power, they may also not give two hoots to the central BJP leadership as well.
My hope

BJP forms government with JDS - this means

- Congress ATM cut
- Local KA BJP idiots cont get too cocky
- 2019 Victory is smoothened
- Then after 2019, BJP can dissolve assembly...hopefully Modi and central BJP (and RSS) can swing the big danda and clean up Karnatka BJP team..
This is all senseless.
Its not jds workers who were hunted down on streets by sdpi or pfi troops protected by congies. It was BJP workers who suffered that fate.
All of them are working tirelessly in the heat to taste that uncontested victory which will finally even the scales in KA .

Anyway iam disappointed that this is the level of understanding of folks of BR who take active interest in politics on the absolute need for PIF to wield overhelming power where ever possible.

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Post by Hari Seldon » Fri May 11, 2018 3:20 am

^+1 Lilo ji.

Time to phinis the also-rans and meToos like JDS, BSP etc in the political arena and reduce the contest to one between PIFs and BIFs. Rest all is a distraction only.

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Post by Sachin » Fri May 11, 2018 4:57 am

Lilo wrote:Its not jds workers who were hunted down on streets by sdpi or pfi troops protected by congies. It was BJP workers who suffered that fate. All of them are working tirelessly in the heat to taste that uncontested victory which will finally even the scales in KA .
Nobody is denying that. Infat even Amit Shah said that if BJP gets power the full power of law would be unleashed against people who murdered RSS/BJP cadre. But that said, I don't think any one would prefer a Yeddy & Reddy brothers once again going on with their nefarious land deals and other scams. A victory in KA for BJP cannot be a license to do any thing and every thing, even if it jeopardises the party's chances in 2019 Lok Sabha election.
Anyway iam disappointed that this is the level of understanding of folks of BR who take active interest in politics on the absolute need for PIF to wield overhelming power where ever possible.
Overwhelming powers cannot be that it would undermine one's own chances in other places/elections. From what I have seen of BJP leadership in KA, I don't think they have any kind of pan-India policy or vision. Their aim is to win KA (which is quite acceptable), but then just ignore the party's chances at a national level. Pretty much like how petty rajahs (mainly Hindus) and nawabs thought about the country when the British came in.

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