rhytha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:05 amSexual harassment is when ONLY women are not interested, if they are interested, its just playful and seen as confidence. The line is very blurry.
Consent: It is as simple as Tea
rhytha wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:05 amSexual harassment is when ONLY women are not interested, if they are interested, its just playful and seen as confidence. The line is very blurry.
Usually, everyone goes by cases that benefit the most.
Minister of State for External Affairs M J Akbar has probably erred on his score. He has every right to seek legal remedies (as he already has) against some of the women who have alleged various acts of sexual misconduct by him in the distant past, but it would have been better if he had done so after resigning his post and fighting his battle for vindication as a private citizen. By staying on, he is essentially validating the #MeToo campaign, which is substantially about men using positions of power to demand sexual favours – or acquiescence – from women who may not be in a position to deny them. Or feel that the ecosystem is hostile.
Sorry tea and sex are very different.
For that to be understood, we need to know some unique aspects of Hinduism in KL. Many of the popular temples today are centuries old, and the dieties out there are worshipped in a specific way. Each diety may have its own uniqueness in a temple. In Sabari Mala, Ayyappah is worshipped in his celebate form. Where as there are temples in which he is worshipped as a child and also as a family man. So in a place where the diety is celebate, women devotees (who are in an age group where they can reproduce) are not allowed. Why? It is because that is how that diety wishes things to be. Now if the worshipper is above the God/Diety and starts dictacting terms to God/Diety, then the whole excercise called "devotion" becomes meaningless. There are temple festivals in Kerala where only women participate. There is a Naga/snake temple where there can only be a priestess; never a priest (a male). Now citing our great constitution, we can try making all these "equal-equal", and break the faith associated with these temples. Which is precisely what many people in India really want.fanne wrote:Why does it discriminate against women?
Lutyen bimbos, plus a very few women in Kerala; who again are not "Hindu devotees". So far the fight has not gone to the nevel of NI v/s SI, and most likely it may not. Because even the BJP & RSS, who first said women should be allowed entry has now taken a U turn. This is off course after seeing the Hindu protests in Kerala. How ever politiciasation of "faith related matters" has its own problems in a state like Kerala. It may harm the genuine demands of the Hindu devotees. Things may have gone ugly if the local Kerala people were lead to believe that it was the North Indian lobby (the petitioners, the S.C bench etc.) who tried to destroy the Hindu faith in Kerala. As of now it is the communist and main stream media's agenda which is getting exposed. Mainly because every one except them are now backing the devotee groups.crams wrote:This whole thing is led by a bunch Lutyen Bimbos. The SC should have stayed out instead of butting in and creating so many fissures. I am worried this could get out of hand, and pretty soon, it becomes a North India Vs South India thing.
There was a time when Hon.SC had actually denied an appeal of of a murderer (of 4 people) who was awarded death sentence by Kerala HC. Because they just could not find any new evidence to do a retrial of the case. Now, Hon.SC has become more of a sub-ordinate court where any one can file any case. My understanding was that courts like High Courts and Supreme Courts were to be "appellate courts" which only heard cases which came from the lower arms of the judiciary.srikumar wrote:Actually, I do think SC can be 'blamed' for taking up this case when it did. With thousands of cases pending before the SC, it is very curious why they picked this one. I dont think they go by the date of filing.
Sabarimala issue: Tribals allege government trying to demolish centuries-old customs
Oct 17, 2018,
NILACKAL(KERALA): Tribals living in the hills around Sabarimala alleged that the government and the Travancore Devaswom Board were trying to demolish centuries-old customs by allowing entry of women in the 10-50 age group into the famous Sabarimala temple.
They claimed that restrictions imposed on women in the menstruating age group were part of a custom prevailing in tribal societies living in the forests in Kerala.
They also claimed several rights of the tribal communities over the Sabarimala temple and the places associated with the hill shrine were forcibly taken away from them by the authorities of the government and the Travancore Devaswom Board that manages the temple
crams wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:21 pmGuys, doesn't BJP have any it-vitty folks, or even some friend in Bollywood to be able to dig up some 'metoo' dirt on the Khan Honchos: Aaamir, Salma, Sharukh, and Saif Ali (guy who named his son Taimur after the Mughal barbarian)? Seeing their public brash behavior, I cannot believe they haven't done their share of groping. Moreover, the Saif dude bashed the crap out of some poor bloke in a bar like the thug that he is, and got away with it. Are these guys 'sacred cows' for the metoo Bimbos?
Reason I am bringing this up is that should one or more of these Lutyen heartthrobs be put on the dock, 'metoo' will die an instant death and the hounding of BJP will stop.
Varanasi Shia burial ground judgement of SC given aginst Sunnis is pending for implementation for 40 years. Reason given was there would be riots if SC order was implemented. The SC accepted it & stayed its own order. If it can work for burial ground why not for Temple
Doshipura area of Varanasi under siege as Shias and Sunnis spar over two Sunni graves
Men of the Provincial Armed Constabulary (PAC) are conspicuous by their presence and the local police have been strengthened with armed reinforcements. Five companies of the PAC have been pressed into service here and a battalion of the Border Security Force (BSF) remains on the alert 6 km away. Some officials confided that there are at least 70 PAC and BSF companies waiting in reserve.
The massive bandobust has a very good reason. The Supreme Court has ordered that if the long-standing dispute between Shias and Sunnis over two Sunni graves in an overwhelmingly Shia area is not amicably solved by April 27, the graves will have to be shifted. The court on March 21 permitted Suleman Sait, MP and president of the All-India Muslim League, to try and bring about a settlement by then.
Many must be hoping he will succeed, for otherwise the consequences could be disastrous. "We stand by our decision to commit mass suicide or resist the move by all means. No Sunni Muslim will allow this to happen," stormed Sunni leader Irfanul Haq Ansari of Doshipura. Many Sunnis consider the court order an anti-Islamic action. "Nobody knows who will do what. Some will commit suicide and some will attack others," added another Sunni, Dr F. Kalam.
Doshipura's Shia-Sunni dispute began in the nineteenth century (India Today, January 15) over a plot of land donated by the Maharaja of Benares for common religious use. The first case involving a dispute between the two sects was recorded in 1878 and similar disputes continued through the years.
In October 1982 a Supreme Court-appointed committee reported that the Sunnis had vehemently opposed it but shifting the two graves seemed "quite feasible". It will not be until the graves are shifted as the court has finally ordered - or if an amicable agreement is reached by April 27 - that the matter will finally have been put to rest.
However, as the administration prepared to execute the court order, Anjum Qadar, president of the All-India Shia Conference, came out with the plea that the graves should not be removed as doing so would set a bad precedent.
Moreover, he said, neither of the two parties ever demanded shifting of the graves and it was the then commissioner who had created the problem. "There are known instances of graves having been removed, but not under compulsion," he says.
But 90-year-old Shia leader of Doshipura Iqbal Hussein accused Qadar of being a stooge of the Sunnis and said the demand for the removal of the graves was the main one. "Anjum gave us Rs 3,000 in 1981 to fight the court case. Now when the court has given its final verdict he has changed his stand, and without consulting the Shias he issued the statement saying no Shia wanted shifting of the graveyard," he added.
What Republic TV and NDTV won't show you about the situation at #Nilakkal
https://twitter.com/PartyVillage017/sta ... 9408574466
This, is the humanitarian issue which gets Rajdeep and Saggy frothing.
#Rohingyas
SC’s rulings on matters of faith selective, feels Arun Jaitley
Oct 7, 2018,
HIGHLIGHTS
Arun Jaitley said, “If you want to take a progressive step. Articles 14 and 21 (of the Constitution) will apply against all religions."
The comments came in the backdrop of the government’s recent ordinance to criminalise triple talaq , and are seen to reflect BJP’s stand on the SC’s recent verdict in the Sabarimala case.
NEW DELHI: In the midst of protests in Kerala against the Supreme Court ruling striking down the ban on women of menstrual age from entering Sabarimala temple, senior BJP leader and Union minister Arun Jaitley on Saturday said courts must be uniform in looking at practices of all faiths.
“If you want to take a progressive step. Articles 14 and 21 (of the Constitution) will apply against all religions,” Jaitley said at the HT Leadership Summit here.
“It cannot happen that you select a practice and apply it because that will have social consequences. If you start stepping into the religious practices and customs and say Article 14 must be tested on personal law, then will it apply to polygamy? Will it apply to oral divorces? Will it apply to other religions where women are not allowed to enter religious places?” he asked. “If you are being progressive and bold then it must be uniformly so and that doesn’t seem to be happening,” he said.
The comments came in the backdrop of the government’s recent ordinance to criminalise triple talaq , and are seen to reflect BJP’s stand on the SC’s recent verdict in the Sabarimala case.
The minister’s comments came against the backdrop of the government’s recently coming up with an ordinance to criminalise triple talaq (instant divorce) as the bill hit a road block in Rajya Sabha in the face of opposition reservations, and are seen as reflecting BJP’s stand on the SC’s verdict in the Sabarimala case, overturning the tradition of not allowing women in the age group of 10-50 years from entering the shrine. Jaitley also expressed his disagreement with portions of SC’s recent judgments on gay sex (Section 377) and adultery.
In the case of adultery, he argued quashing the law was in order, but it was “very badly worded” and the court strayed far when when it said these are personal wrongs and not public wrongs and therefore outside the jurisdiction of criminal law. “Now will it cover bigamy and polygamy also? Will it cover cruelty? Will it cover dowry offences — if this was the case, the judgment would be wholly anti women,” he said. He said the judgment may change the Indian family system into a western family system where fragility of marriages may increase.
On the verdict decriminalising Section 377, he disagreed with it calling sexuality as part of free speech. “When you convert this into a fundamental right and say it is free speech then how do you restrain any form of sexual activity — homosexual or bisexual— in a school hostel, prison, army frontier,” Jaitley said.
I agree its disappointing, but I think on balance, its better MJA resigned IMO. I mean it was a crescendo of allegations, 20+ of them, it cannot be a conspiracy against him. Although, he could have brazened it out for some more time and then left. And there is no doubt that ModiJi and SushmaJi had a role.
Which also means that the cental government (led by BJP) knows the issue. The next question would naturally be; what does it plan to do to stop such kind of one-sided verdicts?chetak wrote:At least, someone thought it fit to voice his displeasure against such biased rulings.
The main stream media, communists and some shady aetheist organisations tried to first get women to Sabari Mala yesterday. Unfortunately for them, that back fired. Today it was Kerala Police's turn to take a woman media crew to Sabari Mala. But that too back fired. Now what is happening is the slandering of Ayyappa devotees, Hindus and Hindu religion. All of them are heathens, and barbarians who cannot live in a "civilised world". This was exactly the mind-set of the British Officers, their padre and their news paper at the time of the "Sepoy Mutiny" of 1857. They protested when some thing close to their religious faith was targetted, the Brits (officers, padre & news papers) immediately started treating them as heathens and barbarians.crams wrote:See the Sabrimala scrip play out just as the BIF priks ordered. You thrust a resolution like this p!ssing on people who have observed a tradition for 100s of years, and they are bound to react. And now you see the vile epithets thrown at them. "Is this their religion". "contempt of court", "misogyny", thugs, you name it. Its their latent hatred of Hindus in the open
BJP's problem is that they are slow like a tortoise. When this bogus verdict came out, BJP & RSS in Kerala had actually welcomed it. That sealed their fate. It was only when genuine Hindu devotees started their protest, BJP & RSS got back their "lost love of Hinduism". Now I dont have much trust on them to solve the issue, as they may even want to keep the issue burning hoping that it would fetch them some votes. The Congress in Kerala, actually played a more important role here. Their central leadership allowed them to "place forward the sentiments of the people". What has the central leadership of BJP done?Here again, BJP is on very weak wicket.
Totally agree with you. If Sabari Mala can become the Rama Janma Bhoomi of Kerala, it is even better. The Hindus in Kerala were totally confused lot; split on caste and political lines. If they wish to remain like that not one Sabari Mala, every Hindu temple in Kerala would get targetted the same way. In Sabari Mala, women can be moved in by hook or crook. The main stream media, evangelists and a section of Kerala Police would ensure that. But that would be a permenant scar on the Hindus in Kerala.shravanp wrote: Not easy to wear it off, of course unless its something like Sabrimala. Let Kerala Hindus fight it out. "dharmo rakshati rakshitah"