The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Post by rsingh » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:09 pm

a_bharat wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:06 pm
rsingh wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:26 pm
sir, you are promoting subversion of one democratic institution by another. it is not done on BR.
Can't you see that SC has already subverted democracy in India? When an institution appropriates power that doesn't belong to it and is reckless, unaccountable and at the same time afraid of Muslims and Christians but doesn't give a damn about Hindus, it is the responsibility of the executive and legislature to fix the situation -- by whatever means.
Yes I can see. Parliament makes law and court give judgement accordingly. In constitution there is no discrimination based upon cast, sex or religion. That is end of storey. Sometime you like the judgement sometime you don't. we have come long way and it is not good to go those old days. Triple Talaq, Sati Partha etc. There is no difference between fuming mullah (on tv debates )and these protesting against women entry. I mean really in 21st century do you really believe that? I have seen such temples all over India. We are not as dumb as mullahs who block access to Kaba for non muslims. Who care what Vatican does. It has its own share of shame. Everybody in knows that. Prosperous people want democratic religion that has sound philosophy and reasoning. Hinduism is growing in Europe. Churches are empty. Anybody can hire churches for birthday party. Not big deal.
All in all, I want to say that debate like this are good for democracy. This is how we evolve.

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Post by la.khan » Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:51 pm

Is this the right place to discuss the train tragedy at Amritsar? Train mows down 50+ people standing on tracks as part of Dasara celebrations. The train driver makes no effort to slow down or even honk/whistle to alert people to get off the tracks. Isn't this the MO of ISIS?

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Post by Zynda » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:13 pm

^^It seems like sound of firecrackers muffled the train horns, giving people no awareness of an arriving train. I would put the blame squarely on the people who had camped on a double tracked mainline. Should have used some common sense...I am assuming in addition to firecrackers, there is a strong possibility of music/songs being blared loudly through huge speakers which would further drown out any train honks.

Such a waste of lives...

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Post by crams » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:12 pm

Both the local authorities and people gathered there are to blame. The local organizers should have warned the people to stay off tracks, and better should have halted trains for a few mins until the event is over. So tragic and that too on such a festive occasion. Very sad.

Now the usual f!king blame game shouting has started. Cong Vs BJP, BJP Vs everyone else. Ackkk Thooo.

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Post by vishvak » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:29 am

Prosperous people want democratic religion that has sound philosophy and reasoning.
Okay so how come laws in US/EU are based upon 'ancient' Greek and Latin value systems instead of dark age textbook religions? Not to mention attires of lawyers and judges to mark the same, or the lady goddess that adorns judicial court with eyes covered.

Fact is laws are based on value systems like evidence etc. .. which are eternal and not region specific.. ie sanatan.

It seems we have forgotten how the same value systems have become twisted to suit textbook religions that were racist and openly hostile to anyone not similar to their own gene pool.

We seem to overlook that the same societies where dark times fell were the ones where they killed their own 'ancient' culture to gain blind power in order to conquest other gene pools.

Why do we have to go through the same cycle just follow goras? What's the point?

We can as well avoid subjecting innocent citizens to same without disturbing any sanatan cultures.

As long as we hide that goras have destroyed their own cultures in order to gain power and subsequent colonization etc we will prolly be in self loathing mode everytime and tip toe around 'regulations imposed on heathens pagaans by superior goras' just to live normal Hindu lifestyle and looking awkward and self-contradictory at the same time.

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Post by Vikas » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:24 am

"If you stand on railway tracks long enough, sure you will be run over by a train".
Sorry but only people to blame for this tragedy are the ones standing on railway track. In India, you are run over by a 2 wheeler even if you are walking on the footpath and they were standing on railway tracks.
Of course life will go on while political parties start blaming everyone.

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Post by Vikas » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:26 am

Can BiF and Fiberals and church sponsored activists petition SC to ban Ravan Dahan from next year onwards.
Of course it will start with few guidelines on crackers, height of Ravan, timing of burning, only one ravan dahan in one city blah blah.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm

Guys, how come no body is talking about Talib Hussain, the Kathua rape conspirator who is being accused of rape (in the a$$) by a Kashmir muslim JNU student. She was among those who invited him to speak at JNU. She claims there are other JNU students among her friends who he raped.

The article is in first post. She didn't give out her name though.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/metoo-i ... 13901.html

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Post by chetak » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:06 pm

hanumadu wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm
Guys, how come no body is talking about Talib Hussain, the Kathua rape conspirator who is being accused of rape (in the a$$) by a Kashmir muslim JNU student. She was among those who invited him to speak at JNU. She claims there are other JNU students among her friends who he raped.

The article is in first post. She didn't give out her name though.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/metoo-i ... 13901.html

He has been arrested in another rape case.

looks like this is the only way that the jihadis get their rocks off.

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Post by hanumadu » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:03 pm

She knew she was going to be raped, yet she went with him. Brainwashing can make you to go to any extent for azadi.

I have no sympathies for her or for other azadi folks who were victims of jehadi Talib Hussain. It seems rape of female azadi activists by kashmiri journalists and male activists and it is brushed under for the cause.

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Post by Supratik » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:01 pm

Allahabad name change to Prayagraj approved by governor.

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Post by Supratik » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:09 pm

All institutional names to be changed. Himachal may change a bunch of names to their original.

https://www.republicworld.com/india-new ... ffect?v=12

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Post by SSundar » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:18 pm

hanumadu wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:03 pm
She knew she was going to be raped, yet she went with him. Brainwashing can make you to go to any extent for azadi.

I have no sympathies for her or for other azadi folks who were victims of jehadi Talib Hussain. It seems rape of female azadi activists by kashmiri journalists and male activists and it is brushed under for the cause.
I still see admiration and adulation in that article. What exactly does she want? Does she want him to be punished? Does not sound like it. Does she want him to "nikaah" her? Perhaps. Looks like she wants him to come out and say "Yes, I did rape her and umpteen others", followed by a kiss and make up. He will be back to being the great guy he is.

If this is the culture JNU teaches students, it needs to be razed to the ground.

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Post by Supratik » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:38 pm

More trouble for NDTV as Reliance sues.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 61921.html

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Post by Supratik » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:20 pm

BJP loosing traction in Jammu is not true.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 296308.cms

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Post by crams » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:50 am

This video shows an Akali Dal spokesman, so don't know how true his claims are, but he says Mrs. Sidhu ran away from the scene of the tragedy. Probably to the waiting arms of Uncle Bajwa her husband's love bird. He loves Pakis so so profusely that he can't wait to join him and instead he is stuck with the darkie Idli-eating Tamils

http://ishare.rediff.com/video/others/- ... -/10992301

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Post by srikumar » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:36 am

Not sure what she could have done really. It would have been a horrendous scene with body parts in profusion scattered on and around the tracks. She may be doctor and that would be be a reason to expect her to do something but as as a wife of a politician I don't know that she has done anything controversial by leaving, if she did. There were other leaders and organizers around who bear primary responsibility to act.

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Post by crams » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:40 am

hanumadu wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:54 pm
Guys, how come no body is talking about Talib Hussain, the Kathua rape conspirator who is being accused of rape (in the a$$) by a Kashmir muslim JNU student. She was among those who invited him to speak at JNU. She claims there are other JNU students among her friends who he raped.

The article is in first post. She didn't give out her name though.

https://www.firstpost.com/india/metoo-i ... 13901.html
Does anybody know whether she is a p!sfull? But the whole thing seems so bizarre. In other words, even if she admired his activism, his aggressiveness and his sexual overtures should have turned her off. She herself says that much before the rape, he would evade questions about his safety and instead talk about his sexual fantasies with her. So looks like she had some feelings for him which he took advantage of. Still doesn't excuse him of heinous crime of raping her.

Coming back to the politics of the Kathua rape, did you guys recall the bile, vitriol, scorn, and hatred many Lutyens and Urban Naxals spewed on Hindus at that time. It went even international. Now I wonder if these traitors are ashamed of themselves when one of the so called lawyer acvtivits was himself a rapist. The point being that even as the optics were bad in BJP allegedly supporting the rapists of the Kathua accused, the story is much much more complicated which these traitors either didn't have the IQ to understand or did not want to take cognizance of in their zeal to attack BJP and Hindus. But the Hindus of Jammu and local BJP legislators knew the politics of this, they knew very well that Mehbooba and her cohorts, valley separatists, and of course Paki ISI were using this as way to play out Jammu Vs valley divide, to paint Hindus are rapists of Muslim women and derive huge mileage. A good, honest reporter with reasonable IQ would have seen the game played out and would have been more circumspect than emphasizing the obvious sensational claim of BJP MLAs supporting rape accused.

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Post by srikumar » Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:46 am

Reminds me of an article/story I read ages ago where a police crew had to respond to a person hit by a train. It was in pieces and one newly minted constable fainted after seeing the gore.
The scene at Amritsar would have required really tough- minded emergency responders/civilians to handle the massacre.

Related note - articles say how many were killed but no note on how many were wounded.

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Post by Vikas » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:11 am

It is so heart breaking that in India, people get killed like flies and moths. Blame as much as we want on anyone and everyone, yet the fact remains that life is very cheap in this country.
Instead of apologizing and expressing sympathy for the victims, everyone is busy in CYA and blame everyone else while 100's of families are destroyed.

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Post by Vikas » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:16 am

srikumar wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:36 am
Not sure what she could have done really. It would have been a horrendous scene with body parts in profusion scattered on and around the tracks. She may be doctor and that would be be a reason to expect her to do something but as as a wife of a politician I don't know that she has done anything controversial by leaving, if she did. There were other leaders and organizers around who bear primary responsibility to act.
Srikumar ji, She wasn't just a innocent bystander who happened to be the wife of a Politician. She herself is a Ex-MLA from Amritsar and minsiter of Health in previous Badal govt. By your logic, what other leaders and organizers could have done except for wait for para medical services to turn up.

So you would expect more from her than just running away and then lying about it.

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Post by chetak » Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:18 am

CBI catches its insider thief Rakesh Asthana for accepting Rs.2 crores from dubious meat exporter Moin Qureshi to settle cases


CBI catches its insider thief Rakesh Asthana for accepting Rs.2 crores from dubious meat exporter Moin Qureshi to settle cases

Finally, Special Director Asthana ensnared in a bribe to let off a meat exporter. Suspension to follow?

By Team PGurus - October 21, 2018


The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) has booked its own crooked Special Director Rakesh Asthana for accepting Rs. 2 crores as bribe to sabotage the probe against controversial meat exporter Moin Qureshi.

CBI also caught the Research and Analytical Wing (RAW)’s No: 2 officer Samant Kumar Goel for fixing the deal between Qureshi and Asthana to close the probe.

CBI’s Anti-Corruption Unit 3 has arrested one Manoj Kumar, the middleman who gave money to settle the case on October 16. Senior CBI officials confirmed this unprecedented development and said that a First Information Report (FIR) was registered against Asthana on October 15 and Manoj Kumar has confessed and recorded his statement before the Magistrate on giving bribes.

The deal was brokered by RAW officer Goel for Rs.5 crores and CBI special wing intercepted the conversations and Rs.2 crores was already paid.

Manoj Kumar admitted to CBI that he was paying bribe to Asthana on behalf of Qureshi, who is facing several cases from the CBI. The FIR names Rakesh Asthana, Moin Qureshi and Manoj Kumar as accused.

The FIR also said that RAW’s senior officer Samant Kumar Goel, 1984 batch IPS officer from Punjab cadre was also part of the extortion gang in CBI and facilitated Qureshi in closing the case by paying bribe. At present Goel is not made as accused in the FIR, though it detailed his role in facilitating bribe to Asthana. CBI team has recorded his statement and may soon add him also as accused along with Asthana.
The Punjab cadre IPS officer Goel is No: 2 in External Affairs intelligence agency RAW and serving in the rank of an Additional Secretary and head of the West Asia Desk. Sources said that he was in regular touch with Qureshi and his conduits in Dubai. Recently National Security Advisor Ajit Doval found that Goel is dealing with many shady characters in Dubai and submitted a dossier on this regard.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval were briefed about the developments, as soon as after the CBI’s special wing had intercepted the calls of Manoj Kumar and Rakesh Asthana talks on how to hand over the money on behalf of Moin Qureshi. CBI Director Alok Verma has moved files for the suspension of Asthana to the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO). RAW Chief A K Dhasmana has also moved files regarding the suspension of Goel from service.

Asthana is also facing probes in six cases by CBI including accepting bribes from controversial Sandesara Group and jailed journalist-cum-fixer Upendra Rai. CBI has stated that Asthana was facing probes over these cases and that was the reason he filed cases to CVC against Director Alok Verma and Additional Director AK Sharma.

PMO officers expressed shock on how Asthana dared to dilute the cases against Congress leader Ahmed Patel’s trusted man Moin Qureshi, whose shoddy dealing were criticised by Prime Minister in many public rallies from 2013. It is learned that Modi has asked CBI Director to proceed in all cases against tainted Rakesh Asthana.

Meat Exporter and hawala operator Moin Queshi is now facing seven cases in CBI and RAW’s West Asia Chief was trying to help him through Asthana, said sources. The agencies believe Congress leader Ahmed Patel had “intoxicated” Rakesh Asthana to this stage.

Samant Kumar Goel was eyeing to become next RAW Chief. He is very close to Punjab Chief Minister Amrinder Singh, who is believed to have promised DGP’s post, if he could not bag RAW Chief’s post in the coming months.

It is learned that two days back, NSA Ajit Doval was tasked by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to go for integrity and check the antecedents of all top police officials and senior bureaucrats, after the Asthana incident.

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Post by Zynda » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:44 am

Any thoughts on his words in this chat?

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