The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sridhar k » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:12 am

Namo is not naive. He is either just hitting a six of a no ball that came his way or some mad engineered strategy. But for all the spiteful stuff from the Poonawala brothers on social media, the RW twitterati had the right to feel let down by Modi encouraging this guy

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:25 am

Is it not the case that at the panchayat level, candidates cannot contest with party symbols or affiliations, even though parties may be supporting them in logistics etc? I think we have seen this in many other instances as well.
Nagar Panchayat candidates can very much contest with party symbols. This is UP Govt's official website - http://sec.up.nic.in/eleclive/PoliticalPartyResult.aspx The website itself shows that political party labels were used in Nagar Panchayat. The website itself shows that BJP ( = RSS) won about 664 out of 5443 Nagara Panchayat seats. IOW, BJP ( = RSS ) did contest nagar panchayat polls.. Only Gram Panchayat candidates can NOT contest with party symbols.
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If these forums are going to be abused with fake analysis and your farcical equivalencies (RSS = BJP = Con etc) perhaps in your zeal to push your own political agenda, this forum will not only never become an alternative to the GDF we lost, it may soon lose its relevance and whither away. Already any decent discussion that starts here gets swamped by the muck you generate and the one-liners from the one or two fans you have here
BRF1-GDF died some 2 years after I was banned - and you still want to blame me for that ? WOW !!! I must be very powerful that without writing any post for 2 years, I could knockdown BRF1-GFD. And its my political view that congress / rss / aap are one and the same -- except some superficial slogan differences. Their workers and leaders are all copy with cosmetic changes. If you dont like my views, pls click "ignore user" button. I am writing only 1-2 posts per day and that too sometimes dont write for several days. So I am not spamming this forum.
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Lakhs of booths used paper ballots in local body elections. No reports of booth capturing, replacement of ballot boxes etc. Not even in small Nagar Panchayats, IOW, all the stories that paidmedia ran in 1990s about massive booth capturing were all hoax meant to make way for EVMs and nothing else.
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In VVPAT, so far rule has been --- VVPAT will NOT be counted !!! Now VVPAT will be counted in one and only one booth in whole assembly constituency. And that booth# will NOT be decided by loser candidate but will be chosen at random by Returining Officer. Lets see how things go. .
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Due to VVPAT, per booth total costs have more than tripled. EVM costs Rs 10000 and VVPAT costs Rs 20000. And these are subsidized costs BEL charges. Election commission hides the costs using many ways. eg Election Commission asks Govt employees to serve in booth and training for say Rs 500 per day. Now that bank employee may be getting Rs 2500 per day. In such case, difference is paid by the bank or govt unit where he serves. And VVPAT needs more trained and so more expensive staff.
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Can PSU banks use in bailin? If bailin is only for private banks, then I support it. If it is for PSU banks, then I oppose it. So is bailin for all banks or only private banks?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Dumal » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:25 am

MehtaRahulC wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:25 am
This is UP Govt's official website - http://sec.up.nic.in/eleclive/PoliticalPartyResult.aspx The website itself shows that political party labels were used in Nagar Panchayat. The website itself shows that BJP ( = RSS) won about 664 out of 5443 Nagara Panchayat seats.
Do you have the number of seats each party contested?
MehtaRahulC wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:25 am
If these forums are going to be abused with fake analysis and your farcical equivalencies (RSS = BJP = Con etc) perhaps in your zeal to push your own political agenda, this forum will not only never become an alternative to the GDF we lost, it may soon lose its relevance and whither away.
BRF1-GDF died some 2 years after I was banned - and you still want to blame me for that ? WOW !!! I must be very powerful that without writing any post for 2 years, I could knockdown BRF1-GFD.
Yes, you are flattering yourself. Read again to comprehend better!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Sachin » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:37 am

SSundar wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 am
Over the last year or two, my WhatsApp feed seems to show a clear trend. Christians and Muslims in my WA groups are openly anti-Modi and do not bother to hide it. There seem to be no exception.
I too am part of similar WhatsApp groups. And I have also noticed this polarization, right after the Modi govt. took over. The Lok Sabha 2014 election results did also bring out many closet Sanghies in such groups. Among the non-Hindus, I have not seen much appreciation. Have not seen very hostile comments, but sarcastic trolls, questioning the motives, and whining that this government has only got fools in the ranks etc. have been quite common. Most of such posts were also not original; i.e my friends just forwarded what they got from others. All I could say is that these groups do not like a government which they deem to be in favour of the majority religion of the country.
What makes a particular group of people, highly educated as well as otherwise, so insensitive to their Hindu brethren that they openly say that this anti-Hindu, corrupt, regressive cabal is much more acceptable to them than one man whom they love to hate?
My gut feeling is that these folks are worried that their "business as usual" mode is not working any more. They are smart to know that once a majority religion friendly party comes to power, that parties influence is going to increase. Even if that party loses the next election, their idealogy, thought processes etc. are going to remain with the people. Closing down of dubious NGOs, anti-Triple Talaq, DeMo etc. have actually screwed up many schemes; especially of the minority religions. They may have a fear that this trend would continue. And to be frank; I have also noticed many currently "well established" people also hate the current government. Upcoming intellectuals, people who studied in more elite kind of schools, people of the old school who still feel that knowing English is the best evidence of intellectual superiority, mid-sized business owners etc. also seems to irked by the current GoI.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SRoy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:05 pm

SSundar wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 am
This forum has Christian (and hopefully, Muslim) members. Please share your candid opinion.

Over the last year or two, my WhatsApp feed seems to show a clear trend. Christians and Muslims in my WA groups are openly anti-Modi and do not bother to hide it. There seem to be no exception. This is common in the group of my rural high school as well as highly ranked engineering college. They do not seem to take any good news about India under the NDA government kindly at all. Anyone who says anything positive about this government is a Sanghi, and that is an open accusation.

Now, isn't it all out there in the open that Sonia Maino and her cabal ran the most anti-Hindu government ever for a decade? This is besides the fact that there is no denying their corruption and unflinching drive towards a Socialist paradise.

What makes a particular group of people, highly educated as well as otherwise, so insensitive to their Hindu brethren that they openly say that this anti-Hindu, corrupt, regressive cabal is much more acceptable to them than one man whom they love to hate?
I would add Sikhs to the list.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:07 pm

Sachin wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:37 am
SSundar wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 am
Over the last year or two, my WhatsApp feed seems to show a clear trend. Christians and Muslims in my WA groups are openly anti-Modi and do not bother to hide it. There seem to be no exception.
I too am part of similar WhatsApp groups. And I have also noticed this polarization, right after the Modi govt. took over. The Lok Sabha 2014 election results did also bring out many closet Sanghies in such groups. Among the non-Hindus, I have not seen much appreciation. Have not seen very hostile comments, but sarcastic trolls, questioning the motives, and whining that this government has only got fools in the ranks etc. have been quite common. Most of such posts were also not original; i.e my friends just forwarded what they got from others. All I could say is that these groups do not like a government which they deem to be in favour of the majority religion of the country.
What makes a particular group of people, highly educated as well as otherwise, so insensitive to their Hindu brethren that they openly say that this anti-Hindu, corrupt, regressive cabal is much more acceptable to them than one man whom they love to hate?
My gut feeling is that these folks are worried that their "business as usual" mode is not working any more. They are smart to know that once a majority religion friendly party comes to power, that parties influence is going to increase. Even if that party loses the next election, their idealogy, thought processes etc. are going to remain with the people. Closing down of dubious NGOs, anti-Triple Talaq, DeMo etc. have actually screwed up many schemes; especially of the minority religions. They may have a fear that this trend would continue. And to be frank; I have also noticed many currently "well established" people also hate the current government. Upcoming intellectuals, people who studied in more elite kind of schools, people of the old school who still feel that knowing English is the best evidence of intellectual superiority, mid-sized business owners etc. also seems to irked by the current GoI.
As far as this forum goes, the most rabid Modi haters are Hindus and not Christians. Don't know who is a muslim here but the self-acknowledged Christian on this forum is actually very happy with the progress India has made under Modi and is a smart, well educated entrepreneur. He has been practical in his analysis and most of the time spot on. He was on BRF too and has continued his legacy here.

OTOH, some Hindus here, one of them a possible Gujarati even, are highly critical of anything the BJP does. They are no different from the Modi haters elsewhere, but somehow have gained access to this forum. They know who they are, even have the same or similar handles to what they went by on BRF and are spewing the same poison here too.

As far as India in general and WA/FB groups go, there is a tectonic shift underway in India and people can feel it happening. Hindus have become emboldened and are no longer afraid to say it like it is. Just look at the comments under any Youtube snippet. Those who preyed on the majority population of the land because they were aided and abetted in this by an anti-Hindu government are suddenly finding themselves at a disadvantage. Those who felt vindicated in converting themselves to Christianity are now not so sure if what they did is right because the agencies that promised them heaven on this earth are suddenly powerless and penniless.

I first heard about the massive BJP victory in 2014 at an airport in Paris from a check-in clerk who happened to be an Indian. He gave me the news realizing I was Indian and while my face lit up, his fell. From his name tag and accent it was evident he was a Kerala Christian. We chatted for a few minutes and he did not seem happy at all. Since then this has become the trend.

However, what has bothered me the most is how brainwashed the Hindus within my own family and friend circle are, including some Bhadralok. They have bought into all the negative commentary coming out of the MSM in India and the US and I am constantly having to refute some of the data they discuss. They are perhaps not to blame, since everything they hear, read or see comes from sources like the the NYT, BBC, NPR and from India, NDTV.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Primus » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:18 pm

SRoy wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:05 pm
SSundar wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 am
This forum has Christian (and hopefully, Muslim) members. Please share your candid opinion.

Over the last year or two, my WhatsApp feed seems to show a clear trend. Christians and Muslims in my WA groups are openly anti-Modi and do not bother to hide it. There seem to be no exception. This is common in the group of my rural high school as well as highly ranked engineering college. They do not seem to take any good news about India under the NDA government kindly at all. Anyone who says anything positive about this government is a Sanghi, and that is an open accusation.

Now, isn't it all out there in the open that Sonia Maino and her cabal ran the most anti-Hindu government ever for a decade? This is besides the fact that there is no denying their corruption and unflinching drive towards a Socialist paradise.

What makes a particular group of people, highly educated as well as otherwise, so insensitive to their Hindu brethren that they openly say that this anti-Hindu, corrupt, regressive cabal is much more acceptable to them than one man whom they love to hate?
I would add Sikhs to the list.
In my circle, except for one Sikh couple who are very close friends, most others seem to be pro BJP. I do know another family who are AAP supporters and the guy did go to India to campaign for AAP during the Punjab elections. After 1984, I doubt Sikhs abroad are sympathetic to the Congress. Probably those in India have forgotten what the Congress did to them.

If anything, I believe Sikhs are by far the single group that believes in the idea of India as much as the Hindus overall do, in fact perhaps even more so. Yes, there is a fringe that have been misled into promoting separatist issues but the overwhelming majority of Sikhs are very much Indians at heart.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by AbhishekC » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:24 pm

SSundar wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:46 am
Is an informed, fact-based debate too much to ask for?

What Is a Bail-In and How Does It Work?

Instead of bailing out private banks with tax payer money because they are too big to fail (like the US did in 2008), it would be so much preferable to give the richest bondholders and depositors the option of converting some of their money into equity in the same bank versus losing the money altogether. Or do we prefer to fleece the common people in the name of Socialism like the Congi mafia did?
No sir, it is not.

Here is a definition of bail in from investopediahttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bailin.asp
A bail-in is rescuing a financial institution on the brink of failure by making its creditors and depositors take a loss on their holdings. A bail-in is the opposite of a bail-out, which involves the rescue of a financial institution by external parties, typically governments using taxpayers money. Typically, bail-outs have been far more common than bail-ins, but in recent years after massive bail-outs some governements now require the investors and depositors in the bank to take a loss before taxpayers.
Difference between your quoted definition and my quoted definition is that in your definition, the emphasis is on the RICHEST bondholders and depositors, whereas my quoted definition shows that EVERYBODY gets shafted.

The winners in any case are the one who took the loans and did not pay back.

But given the proclivity of this government to serve big business, we will see only small depositors take the a haircut. That will be demonetization part 2.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:51 pm

AbhishekC wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:24 pm
Difference between your quoted definition and my quoted definition is that in your definition, the emphasis is on the RICHEST bondholders and depositors, whereas my quoted definition shows that EVERYBODY gets shafted.

The winners in any case are the one who took the loans and did not pay back.

But given the proclivity of this government to serve big business, we will see only small depositors take the a haircut. That will be demonetization part 2.
Everybody could but doesn't have to get shafted. It is an option that may or may not get used under most circumstances. Heck, we could have a government that shafts only those that belong to the majority religion by exempting minorities, no? We in fact had one that did exactly that with RTE.

Those who take loans and do not pay back belong to all classes of society. That practice does need to go away. But trying to pin the blame on one or two industrialists while simultaneously screaming for tens of thousands of farmers to get loan waivers is only playing partisan. Same goes with the claim about this government's "proclivity". We had a government that gave loans away like there is no tomorrow precisely because they were working hard to make sure there is no tomorrow for India as we know it.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:59 pm

Am so glad to see high quality Indic media outlets like Swarajya and OpIndia write professionally and dismantle leftie lies. Should help widely disseminate such material amongst our networks.

Sample this dismantling of the lie that BJP won UP civic polls by EVM fraud.

Truth about UP civic polls : Did BJP win more seats with EVMs and lesser with Ballot Paper (OpIndia)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by arshyam » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:02 pm

Hari Seldon wrote:
Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:09 pm
This below is from NM's verified twitter account. Has a recent video of NM speaking at a rally in GJ in Gujarati.
Narendra Modi‏Verified account @narendramodi 56m56 minutes ago
A few days ago I had said three things- for Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat and the Congress. Since then, UP has voted BJP and the rigging in Congress Presidential elections has come to the fore. In a few days, what I said about BJP winning Gujarat will also come true.[\quote]

https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status ... 0054849536

I wonder, what's with this 'rigging in Cong presi polls?' The shehzad(a) Poonawala ruckus? Shehzada is important enough to be taken up at the NM level??

OK. saw this later, so it is true indeed...

Image
Just to be clear, the last tweet in the image (@narendramodi_in) is NOT the official account. Only the 1st quote is.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:51 pm

looks like it is official account for the NM app or whatever.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:58 pm

I know personally big farmers(10 acres plus) who are well off (very well off than the dollar earning salaried folks here)

who dominate the local cooperative bank and get loans at cheap interest rate (5 to 10%) and then give out that money in local lending at rates of 24 to 36% to ...small farmers.

And then these big farmers lobby the govt to get their loans waived by saying "farmers are struggling" ;)

these big farmers dominate the coop bank and small guys won't get loans from these banks and are forced to borrow at higher interest rates.

THIS is one of the reason why we have small farmers struggling despite loan waivers every now and then.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Supratik » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:42 pm

Sachin got it right. It is no longer business as usual. You will find these guys even on BRF and here.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Marten » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:25 pm

Primus wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:18 pm
SRoy wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:05 pm
SSundar wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 am
This forum has Christian (and hopefully, Muslim) members. Please share your candid opinion.

Over the last year or two, my WhatsApp feed seems to show a clear trend. Christians and Muslims in my WA groups are openly anti-Modi and do not bother to hide it. There seem to be no exception. This is common in the group of my rural high school as well as highly ranked engineering college. They do not seem to take any good news about India under the NDA government kindly at all. Anyone who says anything positive about this government is a Sanghi, and that is an open accusation.

Now, isn't it all out there in the open that Sonia Maino and her cabal ran the most anti-Hindu government ever for a decade? This is besides the fact that there is no denying their corruption and unflinching drive towards a Socialist paradise.

What makes a particular group of people, highly educated as well as otherwise, so insensitive to their Hindu brethren that they openly say that this anti-Hindu, corrupt, regressive cabal is much more acceptable to them than one man whom they love to hate?
I would add Sikhs to the list.
In my circle, except for one Sikh couple who are very close friends, most others seem to be pro BJP. I do know another family who are AAP supporters and the guy did go to India to campaign for AAP during the Punjab elections. After 1984, I doubt Sikhs abroad are sympathetic to the Congress. Probably those in India have forgotten what the Congress did to them.

If anything, I believe Sikhs are by far the single group that believes in the idea of India as much as the Hindus overall do, in fact perhaps even more so. Yes, there is a fringe that have been misled into promoting separatist issues but the overwhelming majority of Sikhs are very much Indians at heart.
It may be anecdotal but at a food festival in coastal CA (April this year), there were quite a few folks who openly professed Khalistani leanings (the person who took there was a Hindu Punjabi and was embarassed at the discussion). I'm not saying all, but there is definitely support coming from two rich towns (with rich farmers taking the lead).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sbajwa » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:17 pm

by sRoy
SSundar wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:01 am
This forum has Christian (and hopefully, Muslim) members. Please share your candid opinion.

Over the last year or two, my WhatsApp feed seems to show a clear trend. Christians and Muslims in my WA groups are openly anti-Modi and do not bother to hide it. There seem to be no exception. This is common in the group of my rural high school as well as highly ranked engineering college. They do not seem to take any good news about India under the NDA government kindly at all. Anyone who says anything positive about this government is a Sanghi, and that is an open accusation.

Now, isn't it all out there in the open that Sonia Maino and her cabal ran the most anti-Hindu government ever for a decade? This is besides the fact that there is no denying their corruption and unflinching drive towards a Socialist paradise.

What makes a particular group of people, highly educated as well as otherwise, so insensitive to their Hindu brethren that they openly say that this anti-Hindu, corrupt, regressive cabal is much more acceptable to them than one man whom they love to hate?

I would add Sikhs to the list.
I am a Sikh and almost everybody that is part of my family in India supports NAMO. Sikhs in Canada, UK (western countries) do not like him but they hate congress more than NAMO ( 1984 rioter Jagdish Tytler was forced to leave LA when he landed for some function). I also have extended family in Gujarat. Many enlisted into Army from Gujarat as they could get into from Punjab (There is a state quota) so they have local address.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sbajwa » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:27 pm

by Primus
In my circle, except for one Sikh couple who are very close friends, most others seem to be pro BJP. I do know another family who are AAP supporters and the guy did go to India to campaign for AAP during the Punjab elections. After 1984, I doubt Sikhs abroad are sympathetic to the Congress. Probably those in India have forgotten what the Congress did to them.

If anything, I believe Sikhs are by far the single group that believes in the idea of India as much as the Hindus overall do, in fact perhaps even more so. Yes, there is a fringe that have been misled into promoting separatist issues but the overwhelming majority of Sikhs are very much Indians at heart.
Off course! Sikhs see themselves as "Reformed Hindus" but more or less Sikhs are back to rites and rituals of Hindus. i.e.

in 1940s Dr. B.R Ambedkar was leading Dalits and wanted to become Sikh. He stayed at Amritsar for over 1 month, even got created Khalsa College in Bombay on request of SGPC. Majority members of SGPC(who were Jat Sikhs) refused to let dalits become Sikhs as one of the members of said this to Dr. Sahib "We cannot give the keys of SGPC to Chuhras aka low caste sweepers" Sikhs were 1 crore in 1947 but Dalits were 20 Crores.

So! Dr. Sahib ordered his followers to convert to passive Budhism instead of martial Khalsa. I can imagine that with 21 Crore Sikhs in India in 1947 partition would not have happened.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by sbajwa » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:30 pm

by Marten
It may be anecdotal but at a food festival in coastal CA (April this year), there were quite a few folks who openly professed Khalistani leanings (the person who took there was a Hindu Punjabi and was embarassed at the discussion). I'm not saying all, but there is definitely support coming from two rich towns (with rich farmers taking the lead).
I tell these guys that you are living in USA and probably would never go to India yet you want Khalistan in India. They should rather pool in money and buy some Island somewhere calling it Khalistan and let Sikhs migrate to that island. I tell them that they should work with local government., with police so that people know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. They are misled by ISI. I know for sure that 100% of the Gurudwaras in Washington D.C area get money from ISI. I have seen many Pakistani embassy people speaking in their rallies (Gurpurabs) and even publicly donating money. Mostly lowly educated (drivers, farmers, business owners) have this tendency. All professional Sikhs do not and they do realize the stupidity of a land locked state between India and Bakistan!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:24 am

sbajwa wrote:
Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:30 pm
I tell these guys that you are living in USA and probably would never go to India yet you want Khalistan in India.
I can't say I ever understood the rationale for Khalistan. But then, I am from TN which itself has asked for a separate nation at some point in time. The absence of true federalism in a multi-cultural land had at least some basis in all these secession movements. The ISI didn't help either.

Given that a large number of Sikhs in the West reached there by seeking "asylum from Indian persecution" - real or imagined - in the 80s and 90s, it is not surprising to see a higher concentration of Khalistan sentiments over here. I haven't met anyone who isn't warm towards Hindu Indians though.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by MehtaRahulC » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:53 am

Number of Dalits (and Tribals who lived near villages and not in deep forests) were about 5 crore to 6 crore in 1930s. Babasaheb Ambedkar wanted them to become Sikh, and many were ready. In one year, they also celebrated Baishakhi wearing turbans. But apex SGPC leaders refused. Their reason for refusal was - if 5 crore Dalits are accepted as Sikhs, then they will get added to SGPC voter list. And so they will become voters in electing Gurudrwara heads who would then elect Golden Temple heads. Giving away positions at local Gurudwara was lesser issue, But Golden temple has huge symbolic and emotional value and giving away Golden Temple was no no. Solution was to amend SGPC with two voter lists - those who were Sikhs before 1925 and their progenies, who alone can appoint Golden Temple heads. And second voter list can be all --- who would appoint local Gurudwara heads. Babasaheb and Dalits may have accepted that, getring positions in Golden Temple were not their goals. But this solution didnt come to anyone's mind. And so apex=SGPC leaders refused admit crores of Dalits in Sikhism.
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Missionaries and Islamists were actively canvassing Babasaheb. Islamists and Missionaries could have got him tons of gold if Babasaheb Ambedkar had accepted them. Missionaries could have even got him a noble prize. But at core, Babasaheb was true indic and so he didnt give much attention to Missionaries or Islamists. So finally he asked Dalits to accept Buddhism, and not Islam or Missionaries, and saved Hinduism / India from a great damage. But many "Hinduvaadies" consider Babasaheb as villian and curse him left, right and center for promoting caste based reservation. Here too, he promoted reservation, only so that educated Dalits dont walk towards Missionaries.
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I can't say I ever understood the rationale for Khalistan. ....
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Punjab's elite farmers wanted more water. And so Akali started playing song that "Sikhs are being victimized". And that strengthen Khalistani demand, And USUK added fuel to it via Canada. And then Devi Indira made worst mistake - she promoted Bhindaranwale to deal with Akalies. And then Bhinderanvale was given dream by CIA "why dont you become President of Khalistan" !! And then things went out of hand.
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If India had installed water meters in each home, each office, each farm and each factory in 1950, then water scarcity would have NEVER been there. There was never a real water scarcity. The scarcity has been only due to huge wastages and deliberate inefficient uses . And if there had been no water scarcity, there would have been no Kahlistani movement !!! Now USA installed water meters in almost all connections by 1920s. Water meter is stone age day equipment. But even today, more 99% water connections in India are unmetered !!!

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:47 am

MehtaRahulC wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:53 am
Punjab's elite farmers wanted more water. And so Akali started playing song that "Sikhs are being victimized". And that strengthen Khalistani demand,

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And if there had been no water scarcity, there would have been no Kahlistani movement !!!
This is very interesting. Thanks a lot for explaining this.

An even more interesting anecdote is that you see a lot of water-related protest signs when you drive through the California agricultural lands. California was in a severe drought until last year because of the thinning ice packs in the Sierra Nevada mountains and the general lack of rain. Water restrictions were imposed in cities and farmlands. California's rich farmers are generally used to cultivating water-guzzling crops like almonds. They didn't take the water restrictions too kindly. As you drive through any California farming community, you see big signs screaming against the water restrictions.

If those rich farmers are the above-mentioned Khalistan-pasand Sikhs, they have come a whole circle.

Luckily, Varuna Bhagwan removed all water restrictions. But the signs are still there along the highways.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:43 pm

Not business as usual in yogi raaj, seems like...
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Yogi Govt orders arrest of 8 Noida builders for not delivering flats to home-buyers. This is the first time such an action is initiated to clean up Builder- Politicians nexus. They've been indulging in "Taken for granted" status. Good work by Yogi.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Hari Seldon » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:49 pm

Ayodhya verdict: Supreme Court rejects moron Congi Kapil Sibal's plea (who is representing Sunni Waqf Board) to hear the matter post 2019 Lok Sabha elections. SC to begin final hearing on February 8 in #Ayodhya Ram Mandir matter.
https://twitter.com/trunils/status/938008062031466496

P.S. so instead of daily hearings from today, we're getting hearings from Feb 9th? Why? Might get pushed back again no?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by syam » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:04 pm

My suggestion to congress handlers,

There is huge antihindu perception out there. Congress should come out of this . They should take United Hindu phenomenon seriously.

They need new poster boy. Someone like Gandhi. Pure vegetarian. And hindu to core. Can recite Gita even in sleep. Someone who is very educated and rich in western sense and easily provide alternative to Sangh parivar.

I don't think it is that difficult. Most hindus easily fall to sound bytes.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:07 pm

syam wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:04 pm
My suggestion to congress handlers,

There is huge antihindu perception out there. Congress should come out of this . They should take United Hindu phenomenon seriously.

They need new poster boy. Someone like Gandhi. Pure vegetarian. And hindu to core. Can recite Gita even in sleep. Someone who is very educated and rich in western sense and easily provide alternative to Sangh parivar.

I don't think it is that difficult. Most hindus easily fall to sound bytes.
It is easier said than done. INC today, in addition to being a dynasty party headed by a Roman Catholic family, is also over 50% Chrislamic in its top management. If they do find such a poster boy, he/she will be a pure dummy without authority and that will be very visible to the voters in today's information age. The established management strongly believes its Chrislamist credentials are actually its biggest selling point. How does one convince them to shed those credentials? There is no alternative to a true coup in the INC.

Keep in mind that even the BJP went through a coup prior to 2014. The old BJP guard was not going to let the party win in 2014 either. It took a coup by Modi/Shah to bring it to where it is today.

Is such a coup in INC possible? Does anyone know possible candidates, however low in the totem pole, who could lead such a coup?

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