The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by chetak » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:41 am

The danger posed by the beedis is becoming more apparent.


A LOT AT STAKE AS DHAKA NEARS ELECTION
A LOT AT STAKE AS DHAKA NEARS ELECTION

Saturday, 17 March 2018 | Hiranmay Karlekar |


A lot at stake as Dhaka nears election
The outcome of parliamentary election in Bangladesh will hugely impact India. It must, therefore, strengthen Sheikh Hasina's position as the BNP’s return to power is bound to spell trouble

As parliamentary elections approach in Bangladesh — polls are due by December end — India must ponder the implications of the possible outcome. While the odds seem to favour Sheikh Hasina-led Awami League’s return to power for the third time in succession, New Delhi cannot rule out an upset victory by the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) led by Begum Khaleda Zia.

The first thing to recognise is that while the Awami League Governments have been friendly towards India, the coalition Government, headed by the BNP and the Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh (Jamaat) from 2001 to 2006, was intensely hostile and the BNP Government in power from 1991 to 1996, marginally less so. One may cite here an instance of the difference in their attitudes towards this country and another of the BNP’s proneness to use every possible occasion to whip up anti-India sentiments.

As to the first, both BNP and the BNP-Jamaat-led coalition Governments had vigorously continued the policy of the preceding military dictatorships of providing shelter, funds, weapons and training to secessionist insurgent groups of north-eastern India like the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA), the National Democratic Front of Bodoland (NDFB), the All-Tripura Tiger Force, the National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT), the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and the United National Liberation Front (UNLF) of Manipur, and the National-Socialist Council of Nagaland (Issac-Muivah)-NSCN (I-M).

Bangladesh’s BNP-Jamaat coalition Government not only sheltered and provided these groups but mocked at India’s well-documented claims of its doing so. The country’s then Foreign Minister, Morshed Khan, provided a striking example of this during his speech inaugurating the ‘India-Bangladesh Dialogue of Young Journalists’ at Dhaka on September 7, 2004. Referring to India’s claim that North-East Indian insurgents had 195 camps in Bangladesh, he had said, “The list of insurgent camps from their side increases at every meeting between us. But they have not been able to provide a single telephone number or address of these camps.”

Even while dismissing India’s claim about the insurgent camps, Morshed Khan, let slip a remark, suggesting that Bangladesh knew that India was vulnerable in the north-eastern States. He said during the same September speech, that though Bangladesh was “India-locked”, Delhi had “also to remember that its north-eastern States” were “Bangladesh-locked.” Not only that, reflecting the Khaleda Zia Government’s policy of stoking disaffection and secessionism in the region, he had said in the speech, “It costs 40 per cent more for north-eastern India’s States to buy most construction goods from Kolkata or other western cities than it would have cost them to buy those from Bangladesh.” He also blasted the “Central Bank of India” (the Reserve Bank of India?) for acting unilaterally against the interests of the common people of north-eastern States by imposing non-tariff barriers such as not allowing individual States to open Letters of Credit without Delhi’s permission.

It is hardly surprising that with an important Minister speaking mockingly and minatorily, lesser functionaries would also do the same. Thus, Major-General Mohammad Jahangir Alam Khan Chowdhury, the then Director-General of the para-military Bangladesh Rifles (BDR) — now Border Guards Bangladesh — visiting India for talks with the then Director-General of India’s Border Security Force (BSF), Ajay Raj Sharma, had said in Delhi on September 28, 2004, “There is not a single [insurgent] camp in Bangladesh. We looked for camps’ locations given in the BSF’s list. Some of the addresses were of our cantonment area and our headquarters. Some of these addresses even pertained to the Bay of Bengal.”

In sharp contrast, Sheikh Hasina has closed down insurgent camps in Bangladesh and handed over to India several important rebel leaders, exposing as lies what the BNP leaders had been saying about the camps as well as the fact that they were actively supporting secessionist insurgencies in India’s North-East.

The second instance is the turn the BNP-Jamaat Government sought to give to the grenade attack on the Awami League’s rally in Dhaka on August 21, 2004. Held to protest against bomb attacks on Awami League supporters in Sylhet in north-eastern Bangladesh, the murder of Tushar, a leader of the party’s students’ organisation, Bangladesh Chhatra League, and atrocities on its leaders and supporters throughout the country, it was addressed by Sheikh Hasina, then president, Awami League, and the leader of the Opposition in Bangladesh’s Jatiya Sansad or National Parliament, and attended by most of the party’s presidium members, and the president and general secretary of the Mahanagar (Metropolitan, ie Dhaka) Awami League.

A deadly grenade attack began just after Sheikh Hasina had finished her speech, severely condemnatory of the actions of the BNP-Jamaat coalition Government, and was about to leave the venue. The time was 5.22 pm. It was cold-blooded slaughter. The number of the dead eventually rose to 24, and of the wounded to over 300. The aim was to hobble the Awami League by wiping out its top leadership. Sheikh Hasina had a close shave but had her hearing impaired. Several critically-injured senior leaders of the party were hospitalised. One of them, Ivy Rahman, leader of the Awami League’s womens’ affairs wing and wife of Zillur Rahman, then general secretary of the Awami League and later President of Bangladesh, died in hospital on August 24.

There was sharp criticism at home and abroad. The BNP-Jamaat Government ordered an inquiry into the outrage. Joinul Abedin, a former High Court judge heading it, was asked to submit a report within three weeks. Abedin, a former BNP leader who was appointed without any consultation with the opposition, submitted his report on October 2, 2004. It was not made public. He, however, said at a Press briefing just before submitting the report that neither the BNP nor the Awami League nor Jamaat, nor any other fundamentalist Islamist organisation, was responsible for the attack; agents of a foreign country were. Abedin did not identify the foreign country or its agents but through innuendoes and false associations, clearly suggested that it was India.

Subsequent developments have exposed the hollowness of Abedin’s observations. As long, however, as the BNP-Jamaat Government was in power, the investigation seemed to be deliberately not focusing on the guilty and the forces behind them, failing to frame a young man, Shoibal Shaha Partho, they forced one Joi Miah to confess that a criminal gang called Seven Star Group had carried out the attack.

Genuine investigations began after Bangladesh’s Army had staged a coup on January 12, 2007, and replaced by a new one the BNP-Jamaat Government-appointed caretaker Government for holding the parliamentary elections. These concluded that the terrorist organisation Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI) Bangladesh had carried out the attack, which, according to Syed Rezaur Rahman, the chief prosecutor in the case that followed, was orchestrated by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate and the BNP-Jamaat coalition Government, which used the Bangladesh’s Ministry of Home Affairs, Directorate-General of Forces’ Intelligence (DGFI), National Security Intelligence (NSI) and the Bangladesh Police to implement the plot.

Included among the 49 persons — 19 of whom are absconding — now being tried are personnel from the above organisations as well as BNP leaders like Tarique Rahman, Begum Khaleda Zia’s son, Luftozzaman Babar, state Minister for Home and Abdus Salam Pintu, a Deputy Minister, in the BNP-Jamaat-led Government. There was no mention of India or any of its agents.

There are issues. Many in India are uneasy about Bangladesh’s growing ties with China — Hasina’s assurances that India has nothing to worry on this score, notwithstanding. The BNP’s return to power, however, will mean a hostile Government in Dhaka attempting, among other things, to foment trouble in the North East, and acting as a launching pad for the ISI’s terror strikes in India. New Delhi must, therefore, consider measures to strengthen Sheikh Hasina’s position within Bangladesh. An accord on Teesta waters could be a good beginning.

(The writer is Consultant Editor, The Pioneer, and an author)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:01 pm

Karthik wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:01 am
Gus mama, shall we once try to focus on yindoo and dharmic issues rather than focus on BJP winning elections?
Without power, ideology is useless.

if ideological purity pushed by some is going to prevent getting to power, i will oppose such push.

for all the lofty claims of being "defenders of civilization"..if you cannot see past your own nose...it is you who have to introspect on what it is you are enabling by being a useful idiot for opposition.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by syam » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:07 pm

Gus wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:01 pm
Without power, ideology is useless.

if ideological purity pushed by some is going to prevent getting to power, i will oppose such push.

for all the lofty claims of being "defenders of civilization"..if you cannot see past your own nose...it is you who have to introspect on what it is you are enabling by being a useful idiot for opposition.
You guys still not getting it.

This karthik is no hindu RW. A victim to opposition propaganda. Nothing more.

Please tell me how any one can have such huge demands when we were fighting for just survival few years back. Either he has no idea what it is like before 2014 or he is simply helping congress.

In politics, it's all about perceptions.

Congress can't become Hindu party over night. Let's make BJP lesser hindu. It gives equal footing to both opposition.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:23 pm

Gus wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:01 pm
Karthik wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:01 am
Gus mama, shall we once try to focus on yindoo and dharmic issues rather than focus on BJP winning elections?
Without power, ideology is useless.

if ideological purity pushed by some is going to prevent getting to power, i will oppose such push.

for all the lofty claims of being "defenders of civilization"..if you cannot see past your own nose...it is you who have to introspect on what it is you are enabling by being a useful idiot for opposition.
Power that's not exercised is useless too. And I don't want to be an useful idiot like you to those who seek power by claiming to be something they are not by not asking for accountability and blindly trusting them.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Vikas » Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:25 pm

Can serious posters here stop posting stuff like ,'My friend in XYZ tells me blah blah blah".

RahulMehta Ji, I seriously struggle to understand what you are trying to say in your posts here. We get it that BJP and RSS are corrupt and incompetent as per you. But some of us will still support them irrespective because we are fighting a war in which we have a sliver of chance since the great Maratha laid down his life. The alternative is return to Islamic rule of EJ-Congoon ecosystem where lots of Hindus will be happy to act like Man Singh/Jai Singh/sahib bahadurs.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by crams » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:39 pm

Guys, one of the banes of Indian politics is that India seems to be perpetually in election mode. And when there is parliament, you have the opposition thugbandan disrupting proceedings egged by their media. Reason I am saying this is that ideally, I would like BJP to ignore an Italian Pappu like plague, but given that we are always in election mode, BJP has to respond in a useless verbal duel. This puke and his slaves have nothing, nada, zilch to offer India, on the contrary, they are a huge burdent on the country, and yet, we have to constantly listen to his constant asinine cacophony.

Also, I wonder why opposition like SP, BSP, even Mamta Jihadi who have more following than Pappu cede the public space to him?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:53 pm

karthik - i will take +60% over -100%

you can keep pushing that line repeatedly, it is not going to get any sympathy from me.

i have only one question for all the whiners. Who are you going to vote for?

I can accept people like dipanker who would say they will vote for CPM. But don't BS that you are hindu dharma defender blah blah and modi this modi that.

get 2019 to modi and then you can work for whoever you want for 2024..yogi or susa if he's still alive and willing etc..... stop messing with 2019.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Tanaji » Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:12 pm

Trilobite wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:24 pm
gauravsh wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:51 pm
never knew UPA purchased Rafale, but Dipanker saheb carry on :)) :))

Please focus on the issue raised than on the dork media coined headline.
Hmm, so I am sure you are aware that comparing unit cost per jet is not easy. There are quite a few factors involved. For example, take a look at this

http://www.opindia.com/2018/03/dassault ... es-expose/

It goes into a bit more detail than the fluff article that you linked. For more details on how unit costing is difficult, please refer to brar_w posts on the BR forum.

But then you know this already. This is the second time you have been caught deliberately muddying the waters. I wonder what the agenda here is.

Carry on though, it is quite interesting.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:05 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:09 am
It seems AAP may be disintegrating in Punjab.
AAP is disintegrating where ever it has any presence left. Its totally a non functional govt in Delhi. And whatever little presence it has in Punjab is getting wiped away.

Modi has AAP by the b@lls. Perhaps other political parties too.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:25 pm

hanumadu wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:32 am
Trilobite wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:07 am
hanumadu wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:32 am


Reliance Defence is actually Pipaviv Defence which had several years of experience in defence manufacturing and which Ambani bought. Now go troll somewhere else.


More info. on what kind of company Pipavav was/is, I don't see anything similar to HAL's experience here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_ ... ngineering

But that is beside the point, the issue here is of impropriety due to the completely non-transparent manner Anil Ambani's company got this govt. contract at the cost of HAL, a govt. company.

Now go troll somewhere else.
Reliance defence is only one of the companies that got a contract. The contracts were given to Indian industry panning 10's of companies, probably 100's. There was an article posted on BRF, I think. Please go check it out.

So, we have only one aircraft manufacturer in the entire country. If the whole idea is to create an alternative to HAL and spread the base of the MIC In Inida, its only natural HAL will not be given the contract.

Commietard.

Your are missing the point.

1. The problem of impropritary stems from the ad hoc and opaque manner the contract was changed.
2. The opaque manner in which the Anil Ambani's company got the contract.


But I don't expect a Chaddi-tard troll like you to admit it.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:34 pm

SSundar wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:49 am
Trilobite wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:27 am
@crams man, let me ask you the same question.

Contract worth Rs 22,000 crore which was originally supposed to go the public sector HAL which has 70 years worth of experience building planes goes to Anil Ambani's company in a completely non-transparent manner when his company has 0 experience of building planes, does this sounds like corruption to you or not?
Dipankerji,

Don't make NDTV your only source of info. The original deal was never going to happen, and even if it did, there was never going to be any transfer of technology. HAL was only going to apply screwdriver technology to assemble semi-knocked down kits in a PSU that is a monopoly in aircraft assembly in India. Dassault refused to guarantee HAL's work even under UPA's defunct deal.
HAL have enough business on their plate and would do well to ramp up production on current orders.

Contrary to your belief, Reliance isn't manufacturing planes. It is manufacturing components that go into the planes and radars.

Apples and oranges.

Besides, look at how previous Congress regimes priced earlier successful aircraft deals. Initial prices are lowballed at selection so their favored OEM gets the deal as the lowest bidder. Later, price goes up due to elapsed time and weapons/radar/maintenance contracts are priced separately.

You don't trust Swarajya? Fair enough. Then read expert opinions on BRF and do your own Google search wherever you suspect info may not be factual. THAT's how objective people separate fact from fiction.
Please stick to Trilobite, that is my login on this forum, others have addressed me as Dhruv Rathee, I don't even know who the heck these people are.

1. Basic point here is that the contract was changed in a opaque and ad hoc manner.
2. Anil Ambani's company was awarded a contract worth Rs 22,000 crore in a completely opaque manner.

Rest is peripheral.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:47 pm

Tanaji wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:12 pm

Hmm, so I am sure you are aware that comparing unit cost per jet is not easy. There are quite a few factors involved. For example, take a look at this

http://www.opindia.com/2018/03/dassault ... es-expose/

It goes into a bit more detail than the fluff article that you linked. For more details on how unit costing is difficult, please refer to brar_w posts on the BR forum.

But then you know this already. This is the second time you have been caught deliberately muddying the waters. I wonder what the agenda here is.

Carry on though, it is quite interesting.
OpIndia is another of those agenda oriented website, so hard to assign any credibility to what ever get published on these websites.

To me the issue is about the ad hoc manner the contract was changed and the ad hoc and opaque manner in which Ambani's company ended with a fat and juicy contract.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:55 pm

Indrad wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:20 am
all questions will be answered once Trilobite aka Dipanker ji opens his card of allegiance to Kejriwal. BTW Why are you not doing this on BRF where thread is running into 100s of pages & response with people keenly interested in IAF deals dissecting it??
Why is Trilobite's (that would be me!) political allegiance to any party relevant to the questions I asked you. Of course it is completely your prerogative to answer them or not. It wasn't that difficult answer though, corruption or no corruption, that's it.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:20 pm

The next pariliamentary bypoll in UP/Kairana is going to be really interesting. Hukum Singh of BJP won this seat in 2014 by a whopping margin of 2.5+ lakhs, more than the combined total of SP+BSP+Congress. This time his daughter will be contesting his seat and likley get some sympathy votes, but will she win?

The outcome of the election will determine whether the voters have turned against BJP or not. It will another opportunity for BSP/SP/Congress to test how effective they are in transferring votes. A loss for BJP here will be quite ominous to its prospect in UP in 2019 on the other hand a win will be an indication that it still has some traction left.

There is a fair chance that BJP will lose this bypoll too.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:42 am

Trilobite wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:25 pm
hanumadu wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:32 am
Trilobite wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:07 am




More info. on what kind of company Pipavav was/is, I don't see anything similar to HAL's experience here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliance_ ... ngineering

But that is beside the point, the issue here is of impropriety due to the completely non-transparent manner Anil Ambani's company got this govt. contract at the cost of HAL, a govt. company.

Now go troll somewhere else.
Reliance defence is only one of the companies that got a contract. The contracts were given to Indian industry panning 10's of companies, probably 100's. There was an article posted on BRF, I think. Please go check it out.

So, we have only one aircraft manufacturer in the entire country. If the whole idea is to create an alternative to HAL and spread the base of the MIC In Inida, its only natural HAL will not be given the contract.

Commietard.

Your are missing the point.

1. The problem of impropritary stems from the ad hoc and opaque manner the contract was changed.
2. The opaque manner in which the Anil Ambani's company got the contract.


But I don't expect a Chaddi-tard troll like you to admit it.
I am glad you are living up to your 'commietard' monicker by pushing the goal posts.

You said that Reliance Defence was new to defence manufacturing, it was awarded a contract to manufacture planes and only HAL should do it each of which is a deliberate lie or a incredibly stupid argument

A contract was never signed in the first place during UPA. It was Dassault's choice to partner with Reliance.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:56 am

hanumadu wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:42 am
I am glad you are living up to your 'commietard' monicker by pushing the goal posts.

You said that Reliance Defence was new to defence manufacturing, it was awarded a contract to manufacture planes and only HAL should do it each of which is a deliberate lie or a incredibly stupid argument

A contract was never signed in the first place during UPA. It was Dassault's choice to partner with Reliance.
No, the liar here is you living up to you chaddi-tardness.

Because what I said was that Anil Ambani company had 0 experience of plane building and HAL had 70 years worth of experience.

My concern is how was contract changed? Was the proper procedure followed, like inputs from experts, approval by the cabinet etc.? AFAIK PM alone can not unilaterally make such decision, it must be approved by the cabinet committee in a meeting. No details of how to decision was arrived at made public. It appeared like a ad hoc and opaque decision, completely unacceptable in a democracy.

And how did Ambani got the contract, was proper procedure for awarding defence contract was followed? Tenders?
Yeah Dassault dropped HAL for Ambani's company "Pipavav", did you even read what this company did?

This could only be possible because of corruption + crony-capitalism, enough said.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:11 am

Trilobite wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:56 am
hanumadu wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:42 am
I am glad you are living up to your 'commietard' monicker by pushing the goal posts.

You said that Reliance Defence was new to defence manufacturing, it was awarded a contract to manufacture planes and only HAL should do it each of which is a deliberate lie or a incredibly stupid argument

A contract was never signed in the first place during UPA. It was Dassault's choice to partner with Reliance.
No, the liar here is you living up to you chaddi-tardness.

Because what I said was that Anil Ambani company had 0 experience of plane building and HAL had 70 years worth of experience.

My concern is how was contract changed? Was the proper procedure followed, like inputs from experts, approval by the cabinet etc.? AFAIK PM alone can not unilaterally make such decision, it must be approved by the cabinet committee in a meeting. No details of how to decision was arrived at made public. It appeared like a ad hoc and opaque decision, completely unacceptable in a democracy.

And how did Ambani got the contract, was proper procedure for awarding defence contract was followed? Tenders?

This to me is corruption + crony-capitalism, enough said.
Why do you insist on showcasing your stupidity again and again when the JV is not building planes?
There was no contract in the first place to be changed - for the nth time.
India needs the planes fast because the UPA in its 10 long years could not agree on the kick backs and let the cost rise 3 times.
As for Modi being corrupt, no body in India will believe it even if Modi himself or God himself says so. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:07 am

Trilobite wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:55 pm
Why is Trilobite's (that would be me!) political allegiance to any party relevant to the questions I asked you. Of course it is completely your prerogative to answer them or not. It wasn't that difficult answer though, corruption or no corruption, that's it.
EVERY question you raise in this forum has been answered in media - mainstream and social - with objective data that stands tough scrutiny. You have concluded going into this that you will not accept any of these answers because YOUR PERCEPTION of the "tilt" of this media eliminates the credibility of those answers. Fine. Since the media that YOU PERCEIVE as "un-tilted" is NEVER going to present objective data, you find yourself in a weird form of Trishanku's Heaven.

Nobody in BRF, BGR, Facebook or WhatsApp can get you out of that state.

The people on BRF and many who are present in BGR as well are NOT wearing saffron robes and khakhi chaddis, sitting in front of Modi's house chanting "Har Har Modi! Pakistan Nindabad!". Most actually make a living processing objective data, making decisions, managing critical priorities, negotiating big contracts and actually know how buying something for a corporation, perhaps even a country, works. I speak for myself here.

Which brings us to the questions: "What are YOU doing here?" and "What do YOU want to achieve by asking questions that a 10-year-old can find answers & data through a decent Google search?".

THAT is why your political allegiance is relevant. If a guy wearing a white robe and a cross walks into a temple and starts badmouthing the beliefs of everyone else at the temple, it IS relevant to ask what his allegiance is. Not that we don't know the answer already.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by SSundar » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:13 am

I have a bad feeling about this. I have seen a lot of CNN-News18's coverage on YouTube. These guys are full of hatred for Modi and BJP. Probably more than rNDTV.

Why on earth did the PM make such a comprehensive presentation at this forum, especially one titled "Rising India"? It reminds one of "Shining India". They seem to have perfectly set it up for RaGa's tweet saying "Yes, India is rising against you". Expect BIF media to keep repeating the "Rising India" phrase from now till elections and hit a crescendo if BJP fails to win 2019.


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Trilobite » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:29 am

hanumadu wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:11 am
Why do you insist on showcasing your stupidity again and again when the JV is not building planes?
There was no contract in the first place to be changed - for the nth time.
India needs the planes fast because the UPA in its 10 long years could not agree on the kick backs and let the cost rise 3 times.
As for Modi being corrupt, no body in India will believe it even if Modi himself or God himself says so. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :rotfl: :rotfl:
So where exactly I said JV was building planes ? It is your stupidity which makes you imagine things which are not written!

Changing the deal to benefit the the crony capitalist is not corruption? Sure. Enough said.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Karthik » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:06 am

Gus wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:53 pm
karthik - i will take +60% over -100%

you can keep pushing that line repeatedly, it is not going to get any sympathy from me.

i have only one question for all the whiners. Who are you going to vote for?

I can accept people like dipanker who would say they will vote for CPM. But don't BS that you are hindu dharma defender blah blah and modi this modi that.

get 2019 to modi and then you can work for whoever you want for 2024..yogi or susa if he's still alive and willing etc..... stop messing with 2019.
Gus mama, where did I say we need to vote for others? FWIW, I am trying dispel myths and promoting NM especially among people from our state. No doubt NM should come, and AD take up NSA role again. My point is lack of action in certain areas where it's as necessary as economy, my point is not about looking for alternatives.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by hanumadu » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:42 am

Trilobite wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:29 am
hanumadu wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:11 am
Why do you insist on showcasing your stupidity again and again when the JV is not building planes?
There was no contract in the first place to be changed - for the nth time.
India needs the planes fast because the UPA in its 10 long years could not agree on the kick backs and let the cost rise 3 times.
As for Modi being corrupt, no body in India will believe it even if Modi himself or God himself says so. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :rotfl: :rotfl:
So where exactly I said JV was building planes ? It is your stupidity which makes you imagine things which are not written!

Changing the deal to benefit the the crony capitalist is not corruption? Sure. Enough said.

Then why mention that Reliance Defence had Zero experience in building planes, if they did not get any contract to build planes.
Because what I said was that Anil Ambani company had 0 experience of plane building and HAL had 70 years worth of experience.
Your inference is clear from what you said - that you object to the offset work given to Reliance Defence because it had zero experience in plane building. You changed your goal post after I raised this point.
So what exactly are trying to say with that statement of zero experience in plane building?

Replacing 'contract' from your statement with 'deal' will not make it any truer. Both mean the same.
There was no deal in the first place.
Dassault entered into a JV with Reliance, not GOI.
Because of UPA, the cost of the plane had risen by 300%, because it was not happy with the commission. If anybody is in bed with crony capitalists, it is congress.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by crams » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:54 am

SSundar, I agree. Its high time ModiJi stop this India rising nonsense thereby opening himself and BJP to ridicule. First of all, India is not rising for the vast majority of Indians. Does he not know how the rural folks and farmers almost handed him a defeat in Gujarat? I don't know much about the particular forum where he gave that speech, and maybe there is a time and place (like useless Hindustan Times or India Today conclaves where elites hang out) for this India rising pep talk, but in my opinion, ModiJi has to go hard on the thugbandhan, or else all of this India rising tripe will be mocked at. Fact of the matter is, and he knows it very well, the thugbandhan is not going to give an iota of a credit for any achievement of his. They want to unseat him period using Hindu fault lines.
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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by crams » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:01 am

Trilobite wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:34 pm

@crams man, let me ask you the same question.

Contract worth Rs 22,000 crore which was originally supposed to go the public sector HAL which has 70 years worth of experience building planes goes to Anil Ambani's company in a completely non-transparent manner when his company has 0 experience of building planes, does this sounds like corruption to you or not?
There are better equipped forumites to respond to the specifics of this charge, and they are responding, but I will only say this looks like you and ModiJi haters have set up a plausible scenario and then ask ModiJi and his supporters to defend it without giving any evidence of wrongdoing. If there was any hanky panky, by this time his detractors would have been all over this.

I go by my conviction and trust in ModiJi. He is an honest bloke just wanting to do good for India and Hindus. He may make mistakes no doubt like demo implementation, GST roll out, Paki policy etc, but one cannot doubt his integrity, and overall competence. I cannot imagine how anybody can think of replacing him at the helm with one of the thugbandhan thugs, least of all budhu Pappu.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - Oct 2017

Post by Gus » Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:32 am

Karthik wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:06 am
Gus mama, where did I say we need to vote for others? FWIW, I am trying dispel myths and promoting NM especially among people from our state. No doubt NM should come, and AD take up NSA role again. My point is lack of action in certain areas where it's as necessary as economy, my point is not about looking for alternatives.

There is no constituency for BJP in TN that you are going to convince by "dispel and promoting Modi".

what is your constant whining on hindutva issues going to achieve? give it a rest. it's as tiring as the mehta's paragraphs.

it's the last year and even now the RS is not flipped and LS is constantly adjourned. the system can only be under full control in next term. i'll join you in whining if RTE is not repealed next year.

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