The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

[Gus]

Incidentally, I too got irritated when RW complained about core issues not being addressed. But this was like 1 yr into the 5 yr term. But, after 3 yrs, even I would expect some progress on this front.

That is fair. There does need to be communication on what to expect and roadmaps etc. Problem is - there are no thinktank types (at least that I am aware of..) except a few individuals at the top and then there is vast gap in the middle of the spectrum until you reach to the bajrang dal and ram sene types which have their roles in local protection or nuisance value (depending on how you look at them).

from my observation of modi in this term, he will try and avoid getting into issues unless he is ready to see it through to the end with a plan in mind. The rest of the ecosystem needs to step up and drive consensus and file cases etc, instead of just saying modi do this, modi do that in a nagging language.

[Gus]

Gus, by the same token, if the government does take up the core issues, there will be no negativity from RW and hence, no Sonia/congress.

ah, but is that as easy as it's said here? it is a fight that needs to be fought. but modi has made a judgment call that economy, development etc comes first while this can wait.

there is a danger that if the govt prioritizes hindutva agenda and spends political capital on that - and that gets stuck into legal quagmire and bandhs and jail bharos and protests everywhere - then eventually the govt will have nothing to show for in both hindutva and development and will get booted out and we get UPA3.

Even while doing nothing major, the govt got so much flak for akhlak, gau rakshas and what not that - which, if left to grow by feeding more into that - would have derailed the govt which would be spending capital in those issues.

the fact is - whether we like it or not - hindutva agenda is dear only to a section of hindus. Significant sections of hindus do not care much either because their religious outlook is different or they are too poor to even care about these issues.

[sbajwa]

Gurmeet Ram Rahim was born at Sri Ganganagar in Rajasthan in a Jatt Sikh family. In 1980s one of his friends Gurjant Singh Rajasthani of Khalistan liberation force wanted a place to practice and learn guns. He forced Satnam Singh who was running dera to make Gurmeet Ram Rahim who was very young in 1990 at that time (impossible to become a Dera head) to be dera head. Gurjant Singh Rajasthani initially used Dera at Sirsa to train his terrorists., later when Terrorism died out in Punjab Gurmeet Ram Rahim started wearing different dresses of various religions and started calling himself as "Insaan" his following grew very fast and thus we are here now. A Khalistani terrorist became a Baba of simple followers!

[syam]

that the Hindu identity voter isn't being taken for a ride, yet again. Only.

When did Hindu identity voter taken for ride? Aren't you being little too hasty in your righteous fury? I never seen naivety of this order. Voters will be taken for ride. That is the reality. Hindu vote is in shambles and not reliable. How many so called RW exist in India? How much they contribute to the cause?

If it is Togadia complaining about Hindu issues ignored by BJP, it is believable. But you? You are nobody. I doubt you went to any shaka in your life or done any work for them. Do you know how BJP wins elections? If it is that easy like you imagine, Congress would have done it at drop of hat.

Live in your bubble, brother. You arm-twist your own hindu brothers if they don't pamper your ego. You behave like some ultimate defender of Hindus. In reality, you piss on your own people.

[syam]

Syam, where do you think the work force is going to come from?

I'm all for Vikas. That will ensure the neutral folks to vote BJP. However, some things also have to be done for the Hindus. Something. Anything. Hari, John et al are not asking for the moon. One or two doable items will go a long way. These folks are the 'boots on the ground'. Most of us are arm chair jernails.

RW folks understand that if their core issues are addressed, it would only be under BJP. No other party is going to do it. You can walk and chew gum.

Incidentally, I too got irritated when RW complained about core issues not being addressed. But this was like 1 yr into the 5 yr term. But, after 3 yrs, even I would expect some progress on this front.

They are doing things for hindus. It is you guys who are not getting it here. Before 2014, we used to have Dialy , weekly, monthly Christ wake up meetings in AP. Suddenly, they are all gone. I see no such meetings these days. I at least recognise it as really big achievement of Modiji. He addressed the issue immediately after becoming PM. And BJP has no power in AP.

Even if they have no power here, we are still getting protected by BJP government. Our whole telugu community is under his debt. He knows what to do for the country. He is doing it already.

[Gus]

folks - lets please discuss ideas. Not people. (yes, that applies to me as well)

[syam]

folks - lets please discuss ideas. Not people. (yes, that applies to me as well)

Some behave like spoiled kids. Modiji is pariah of global community. He is like middle class family man who works all day to put food on table and let his family members dream about better future. His subjects need to understand the situation. But they behave like spoiled kids. They demand everything.

[KL Dubey]

Meanwhile, Amitji called back to Dilli in a hurry:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/secon ... 11757.html

Looks like something important is brewing. Yogi Adityanath is now in charge for the rest of the KL yatra campaign.

[shravanp]

BP alert.

https://thewire.in/184120/illustrations ... ital-rape/

Some of the caricatures are disgustingly and openly anti-Hindu.

[syam]

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Existing laws DO NOT allow Hindu Devalaya = temple devotees to have SGPC like structure over their temples. So committee members or trustees can usurp the temple wealth for ever and devotees cant expel them. Also, many devotes donate to large temples like Balaji Temple. And all these temples have been snacted from the original trustees / owners and are now placed under Govt control. My proposal is to return the control BACK to original trustees or their their heirs. Without fixing laws, it is NOT possible to return these temples back to original owners or heirs

Archaka and some folks from the community can form this committee. First we have to remove the gift and hundi culture there. Then if the devotees still want to donate the money, the archaka can inform them about this trust. Chilukuri Balaji temple has no hundi. It can be implemented at other places too.
Government can't do anything.

If people really want to do it, they can do it whatever way possible. The problem is they want some one to do the work.

[SRoy]

this 'core hindutva' constituency did not get Modi elected on its strength. They by themselves could do crap in 2004 and 2009. And even in 1999 it was a coalition - which also diluted the mandate so much and had to tolerate dmk and such in their cabinet.

The core Hindutva voters kept them relevant in 2004 and 2009. Sent them to Lok Sabha with a respectable representation. And they campaigned online in 2014.
Otherwise ... BJP would have been a footnote in history by now.

[sbajwa]

Before creating a committee like SGPC., people need to define who is a Hindu? For example there are three type of Sikhs

1. Amritdhari are Sikhs who keep all 5 K's and have taken the vow of Khalsa.
2. Keshdhari are Sikhs who keep few of the 5K's and plus their hair with turban.
3. Sehajdhari are Sikhs who go to gurdwara but are clean shaven and do not keep turban.

So! SGPC created a rule that only 1. and 2. from above can vote in their elections rest cannot. BTW. SGPC does not control all
Gurudwaras but only Historical Gurudwaras in Punjab, Haryana and Himachal. For Delhi Gurudwaras there is DGPC (Delhi Gurudwara Prabhandak Committee)

So any committee that is created to get Temples under control needs to define everything. Hinduism being vast with many different types of temples (From Sai Baba, Shivalays, Triputi, Shera Wali mata, Ram Krishna Hanuman temples, Sanatan Dharama and Arya Samaj ) for devotees.

Instead of one big organization all over India it will be better to do at local level for example here in USA both Temple and Gurudwaras we have committee of people who regularly visit them. There are about 20+ lifetime trustees who initially funded the buildings and created the organization. Our committee is called Tri State Sikh Cultural Society (TSCSS) for Sri Venkateswara temple check their committee

https://www.svtemple.org/Management.aspx

At Gurudwara we have the following leaders who are responsible for their designation this committee runs maximum for 2 years elections every year during Guru Nanak's birthday.

https://pittsburghsikhgurdwara.org/executive-committee/

[MehtaRahulC]

Existing laws DO NOT allow Hindu Devalaya = temple devotees to have SGPC like structure over their temples. So committee members or trustees can usurp the temple wealth for ever and devotees cant expel them. Also, many devotes donate to large temples like Balaji Temple. And all these temples have been snacted from the original trustees / owners and are now placed under Govt control. My proposal is to return the control BACK to original trustees or their their heirs. Without fixing laws, it is NOT possible to return these temples back to original owners or heirs

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Lets see how baseless yoour prpoposals are
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Archaka and some folks from the community can form this committee. ...

When there is dispute between "Archaka" committee members, the case will be decided by Collectors, Charity Commisssioners or Judges. IOW, if the struture you propose becomes welcome wealthy, then using courts, govt can easily usurp this wealth.
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And why MUST hundi / gift culture be removed? There is NOTHING wrong in giving gift or hundi to temples. Thats how many temples have survived. Many temples may have figured other ways.
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As of now, if devotees want to have place of worship, then they have ONLY one way --- form a religious trust or at least charitable trust. But moment they form a trust, all control goes to trustees and devotees lose power to expel / replace them ((except in Sikhs, where using SGPC act, they can replace heads every N years using election). So in many cases, one trustee will drag the trust to court and then court takes over the temple etc till dispute resolves !! And then dispute is never resolved and so temple becomes govt property for ages and ages
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Congress did this, and now rss is doing doing it
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Solution is to print law that enables temple devotees to have SGPC like elected structure over their temples, if the devotees want. But congress opposed this proposal, and now rss opposes this proposal !! Because if this law comes, then rss workers and leaders and lose all temple money !!!

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(rss = bjp , just as gangadhar = shaktimaan. An rss worker is ONLY an undercover bjp worker. Just as missionaries do charity work ONLY for conversion, rss-workers do social work ONLY so that bjp's vote share rises and bjp = rss leaders use votes ONLY to raise bribe income and do NOTHING else. The fact that rss leaders and rss workers are hostile to free temples from govt control proves that rss's demand to free temples from govt control was just as vote gathering ploy and they were NEVER serious about it).

[MehtaRahulC]

Gurmeet Ram Rahim was born at Sri Ganganagar in Rajasthan in a Jatt Sikh family. In 1980s one of his friends Gurjant Singh Rajasthani of Khalistan liberation force wanted a place to practice and learn guns. He forced Satnam Singh who was running dera to make Gurmeet Ram Rahim who was very young in 1990 at that time (impossible to become a Dera head) to be dera head. Gurjant Singh Rajasthani initially used Dera at Sirsa to train his terrorists., later when Terrorism died out in Punjab Gurmeet Ram Rahim started wearing different dresses of various religions and started calling himself as "Insaan" his following grew very fast and thus we are here now. A Khalistani terrorist became a Baba of simple followers!

WOW !! its so easy to get crores of followers !! Just wear 100s of different dresses and bingo ... one gets 1 crore followers !! Then all bollywood actors would have become baba
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Gurjant Singh Rajasthani was distance blood cousin of Ram Rahim Gurmeetji. Once ccant chose relatives, Nust because one has relative who is Khalastini terrorist, doesnt mean that he too is also a khalastani terrorist. Gurumeet Ram Rahim has never been known to be involved in any terrorist activities in his life.
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When he became dera head, dera had less than few lakh supporters. And Santam Singh died in 1990 at the age of 70 years. If one dies in 1991 at the age of 70 years, chances are high that it was a natural death.
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Baba Ram Rahimji was helped by congress because congress was promoting ALL leaders who can enable congress to reduce strenbgth of Badals , Akali Dal etc. And one pre-condition was --- the person MUST not be Khalistan supporter. Congress after 1990 would never ever support a Khalastani.
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IOW, the stiryline that "Baba Gurmeet Ram Rahimji was Khalistani" is hoax at best
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You might was cite "evidences" that "proves" that the had raped the two girls. If possible, pls also gives links giving evidences from govt / court websites !! Because if you cite the "evidences", people here will see how baseless those "evidences" are. I have explained how baseless the whole rape case was. But if you cite evidences, more will appreciate.
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Baba Ram Rahimji's following grew because he used congress money into HUGE REAL social work. And Badals were kicing out Dalit / OBC Sikhs and that further increased Dera following , because they preach / practice equality. Badals etc have quite a sense of Sikh britherhood. Come MP / MLA elections, they say "Dalits sikhs are sikhs and should vote for akalies because all sikhs should vote for akali". And come SGPC elections , Badals dont want Dalit Sikhs to have voting rights and use 10s of means to stop them from voting !! No wonder why many Dalit Sikhs became Dera followers.
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So Baba Ram Rahim's following grew because of congress money and HUGE REAL social work he did. And later, social work genarated huge donations by itself from his own followers. (Same with Asaam Bapu , he too was once helped by assorted builders, leaders etc. But after few years, hsi social work was so huge that that social work was generating funds by itself thru donations). Its not that "he wore 100s dresses and those dresses fetched him 1 crore followers".

[Hari Seldon]

>>sonia singh‏Verified account
@soniandtv
Breaking on #ndtv9, major review likely in GST rules, monthly returns could be made quarterly, rate reduction in some sectors likely

Interesting. If this is true (and I'm not going to take ndtv's word for it, then its a big plus. Means Modi saarkar has its ears to the ground at least on economic matters and is being responsive.

Also means that lobbying and pressure-building by affected parties isn't entirely futile. If there is indeed a genuine case tobe made, chances are it will get a fair (hopefully) hearing.

Of course flip side is that if the GST was indeed designed to be revenue-neutral, then how will this above move affect things? No way one can get it right in first go, small changes and tinkering, experimentation and incremental changes are the way to go.

[syam]

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Lets see how baseless yoour prpoposals are

That's not my proposal. That was proposed by Archak from Chilukuri Balaji temple.

When there is dispute between "Archaka" committee members, the case will be decided by Collectors, Charity Commisssioners or Judges. IOW, if the struture you propose becomes welcome wealthy, then using courts, govt can easily usurp this wealth.
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This committee is private body. Government has no say. All managed by hindus. If committee members fight among themselves, that's their problem. If they don't know how to manage it, they don't deserve any thing there. Better to keep it under government control if that is the case.

And why MUST hundi / gift culture be removed? There is NOTHING wrong in giving gift or hundi to temples. Thats how many temples have survived. Many temples may have figured other ways.

If hundis don't benefit the community, what use they have? If we remove them, we can atleast prevent government from looting it. Chilukuri Balaji temple has no hundi. It is still famous here.

As of now, if devotees want to have place of worship, then they have ONLY one way --- form a religious trust or at least charitable trust. But moment they form a trust, all control goes to trustees and devotees lose power to expel / replace them ((except in Sikhs, where using SGPC act, they can replace heads every N years using election). So in many cases, one trustee will drag the trust to court and then court takes over the temple etc till dispute resolves !! And then dispute is never resolved and so temple becomes govt property for ages and ages

If devotees themselves form this committee, what is the issue here? If trust becomes complicit, devotees can ignore them. It's responsibility of entire community to maintain it. This committee won't fall from sky. It will be formed by Hindus and they can solve all issues without approaching any outsider.

Congress did this, and now rss is doing doing it

Everyone doing it.

Solution is to print law that enables temple devotees to have SGPC like elected structure over their temples, if the devotees want. But congress opposed this proposal, and now rss opposes this proposal !! Because if this law comes, then rss workers and leaders and lose all temple money !!!

That is big allegation. For your info, rss doesn't need temple money.

(rss = bjp , just as gangadhar = shaktimaan. An rss worker is ONLY an undercover bjp worker. Just as missionaries do charity work ONLY for conversion, rss-workers do social work ONLY so that bjp's vote share rises and bjp = rss leaders use votes ONLY to raise bribe income and do NOTHING else. The fact that rss leaders and rss workers are hostile to free temples from govt control proves that rss's demand to free temples from govt control was just as vote gathering ploy and they were NEVER serious about it).

rss=bjp=abvp=vka=vhp=bms=vb=sb=bd=bks=sjm=mrm. All working to loot temple money.

[KL Dubey]

BP alert.

https://thewire.in/184120/illustrations ... ital-rape/

Some of the caricatures are disgustingly and openly anti-Hindu.

Considering the author (one Aliza Bakht) is from the moon world (and not a Hindu), the repeated use of Hindu imagery is extremely curious and disturbing.

[Mahakala]

Mehtaji,
Will read up. Thanks. Also, please look at https://twitter.com/trramesh He is working towards removing govt control from temples.

Also people,
While we have different expectations on when and how and what we want from modi/bjp/whoever, it doesn't mean we fight amongst ourselves and call each other names We're all on the same side, sort of.

[MehtaRahulC]

>>sonia singh‏Verified account
@soniandtv
Breaking on #ndtv9, major review likely in GST rules, monthly returns could be made quarterly, rate reduction in some sectors likely

Interesting. If this is true (and I'm not going to take ndtv's word for it, then its a big plus. Means Modi saarkar has its ears to the ground at least on economic matters and is being responsive.

Also means that lobbying and pressure-building by affected parties isn't entirely futile. If there is indeed a genuine case tobe made, chances are it will get a fair (hopefully) hearing.

Of course flip side is that if the GST was indeed designed to be revenue-neutral, then how will this above move affect things? No way one can get it right in first go, small changes and tinkering, experimentation and incremental changes are the way to go.

If Good and Simple Tax switches to quarterly return, then GST will collapse
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Say A sells goods to B for say Rs 1000 + 20% GST = Rs 1000 + Rs 200 = Rs 1200
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Then B sells goods to C for say Rs 1050 + 20% GST = Rs 1050 + Rs 220 = Rs 1270
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Now as per Central GST act clause-16.2.c, as printed by Shri Modiji , B will NOT get input credit unless A pays Rs 200 and A uploads his returns !!!
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(And as Central GST act clause-16.2.c, as printed by Shri Modiji , B will have to pay Rs 200 AGAIN in A refuses to pay !! This is called "Missing Trader Problem" , or "Buyer shall bear the burden of Missing Trader" and is central FEATURE of Shri Modji's GST act !!!)
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That why system of monthly return was created. So that B can know within 35 to 60 days whether A has actually paid rs 200 or not
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Now if returns will be filed in 90 days, then B may have to wait for 90 to 120 to 180 days to know if A has actually paid Rs 200 or not !!
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IOW, GST is BEYOND REPAIR. If you make return filing monthly, then small traders die. And if you make return filing quarterly, or yearly then "Missing Trader Frauds" grow which will again kill small traders big time.
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So let sanity prevail. Pls google more on "Missing Trader Problem". Pls read Central GST Act clause-16.2.c. And pls see that GST is UNFIXABLE !! Whereever GST went, small businesses collapsed. One reason why USA has far far more mall business and small manufacturers is because USA doesnt have nonsense like GST , excise, vat, service tax and has limited sales tax. So lets kill GST (and also kill excise, service tax, vat, cst etc) and instead fix income tax and wealth tax.
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Here is what Shri Modji and RSS-workers have printed in Central GST act , clause-16.2.c --- see http://gstcouncil.gov.in/sites/default/files/CGST.pdf see page-19 .
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" INPUT TAX CREDIT
16. .... (2) Notwithstanding anything contained in this section, no registered person shall be
entitled to the credit of any input tax in respect of any supply of goods or services or both to
him unless,–– ...... (c) subject to the provisions of section 41, the tax charged in respect of such
supply has been actually paid to the Government, either in cash or through utilisation
of input tax credit admissible in respect of the said supply; and (d) he has furnished the return "
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IOW, ONLY after seller has paid GST and seller has submitted return , BUYER will get input tax credit.
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So if returns become quarterly, then buyer will not know for 90 to 120 to 180 days whether seller actually paid taxes and seller has filed return.
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[rant ON] But why bother with all these DETAILS? Details are for morons !!! Lets shout Vande Mataram !! Lets shout Baharat Mata ki Jai !! Lets all declare all who oppose Modiji's Good and Simple Tax as traitors !!! [rant STILL ON]

[brad goodman]

Pav Bhaji and Jalebi sellers in Mumbai have declared Rs 50 crore properties to Income Tax Dept

[sbajwa]

So according to some people here these pav bhaji and jalebi sellers who have never paid income tax will go bankrupt after paying taxes?

[Supratik]

For the nanha mujahids. GDF or political/religio-political discussions have been disrupted in the past 20 years more than once on BRF. So take a chill pill.

[MehtaRahulC]

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 925_1.html
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Will oppose E-way bill at GST council meet: Parrikar
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E-way bill nullifies the aim of the GST single tax regime, Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar said on Thursday, adding that he would "strongly oppose" it at the next GST council meeting.
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Parrikar, during a trader grievance redressal meet here, also said that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would resolve all pending issues related to the newly-introduced Goods and Services Tax in the coming future.
"(At the) GST council meeting, I am going to strongly oppose it. I don't know what is the outcome, but e-way is actually nullifying single tax regime. It should not happen," Parrikar said at the meeting organised by the state Commercial Tax department.
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The E-way bill under GST is an electronically generated document which is mandatory for transportation of goods valued at more than Rs 50,000. It is generated via the GSTN portal.
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The Chief Minister said that unlike other states, Goa had fully opened up to GST.
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Allaying apprehensions about the new tax regime, Parrikar said niggling issues related to GST would be resolved by Modi who also receives feedback about the implementation of GST.
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"There may be one or two problems which will never get resolved, but most of the issues, I am very sure will get resolved. Even Modi, when he appears so strict and very tough on this, he also gets feedback and he knows what are the problems," Parrikar said.
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Two RSS leaders namely Modiji and Jetleyji work overtime to print eway bill laws. And another RSS leader Parriker comes at 11th hour to oppose it !!!
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What is this drama? Whom do they want to impress?

[Supratik]

The Kerala padayatra is a show of strength to assure the cadre that the org is with them. Very different approach from ABV-LKA era.

[Hari Seldon]

The Kerala padayatra is a show of strength to assure the cadre that the org is with them. Very different approach from ABV-LKA era.

+1.

And the cadre on the ground, who are most at risk of repercussions from the unholy CPM regime, likely know and appreciate this fact.

Discretion is the better part of valour. But when discretion doesn't work - and it can't with totalatarianopponents like communists or islamists, then I like this approach of going open, strong and in-your-face. Kudos to Amit Shah and the Yogi. And of course, to the 1000s of party workers and even spectators who have risked quite a bit by coming into the open like this. Only.