Only Hindus think like this and on these lines.Primus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:28 pmThere are certain ground realities one needs to be cognizant of. Muslims in India or elsewhere are not going away and neither is Islam. We may wish it away but it is not going to happen. No amount of 'ghar wapsi' is going to assimilate 100 million muslims (or more) into the Dharmic fold. So a solution has to be found which does not lead to a war ending in the loss of millions of lives.chilarai wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:11 amIndeed .. what is this moderate and non moderate muslim. You either follow the book and are a muslim or you dont and you are not a muslim. There is absolutely no middle ground here.Chandragupta wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:16 am
We should not even be using this term 'Moderate Muslims'. It is an oxymoron. Anyone who isnt wahabi is simply not following Islam properly. Those who criticise ISIS as being unislamic are either liars or not true Muslims themselves. ISIS has justified with proper historical references and documentation why their actions are 200% pakka Islamic and as per their Prophet's direction. There is simply no room for argument. Most muslims will tuck tail and run if you present these arguments or most will simply deny even after knowing well enough that they are true word by word.
Anyone who believes a Muslim is an idiot and is destined to be extinct.
Many of us living outside India are forced into contact with Islam and muslims on a daily basis. Some are colleagues, some clients in our respective businesses. Some are friends of friends in the large social circle we have and some, through marriage are now within the extended family. There is no way you can ignore them or be hostile towards them. Majority of these people are actually quite nice, friendly, even fun to hang out with. They too have the same aspirations and goals as most of us. There are always exceptions and you learn about those very quickly. However, even within this 'friendly' group of muslims there are certain rules. You NEVER discuss Islam, terrorism, religion or any of those topics. Certain things are taboo in their presence. As long as you can do that the relationship remains cordial and even pleasant.
You cannot thus completely ignore this large mass of humanity in your midst that you interact with daily, that your children may call close friends, that your relatives may be married to. Whether moderate or not, the reality is that in the social milieu and 'melting pot' (or garden salad as I prefer it) that the modern world is, the only solution that will work is one that allows equal rights and equal respect to all citizens.
The problem is that Islam explicitly does not permit this and actually exhorts its adherents to do the opposite. The more 'pious' a faithful the more likely to follow these diktats and thus become slowly but surely radical in his views at least, if not actions too. Which is why the progression of a friend from a 'moderate', alcohol-swilling, party type to a hijab wearing, 'observant' muslim is disturbing. Sadly this trend seems to be increasing all over the world. Hindus who have finally woken up will need to smell the coffee soon, because most that I know are still in the 'Islam is peace' mode.
In India there is increasing polarization on both sides and a conflict the size of which has not been seen yet is bound to come, how we deal with it will determine the fate of the country and ultimately, the world.
No Muslim ever thought how to live with the people of other faiths and how to bring about equality everywhere and let everyone live in peace. No Muslim ever thought how to live with 800 million Hindus and how to find a way to live with this overwhelming mass of Hinduism.
That is the difference between a rational, peaceful & naive Hindu and a Muslim.