The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

[Gus]

and local dmk MLA geetha jeevan (xtian as well...)

i am not clear on who is using who and who is responsible for what..but looks like a love fest between EJ agenda and dmk general agenda of fanning protests on anything and everything..

[arshyam]

Aaand, here we go...

Protest against a temple procession in Thanjavur last month, IPL protest nonsense, and now this. Slow uptick in intensity. I wonder what the IB, Q branch are all doing.

[Primus]

Please don't echo and amplify SM propaganda on any issues, including and especially, stuff designed to increase hindu disillusion with the aim of pushing them to stay at home/nota.

as brfites/bgrites, you have duty to find truth and counter propaganda and educate others - not fall prey to it.

+108

This is a classic ploy of the BIF from what I've heard and read. This is how it goes:

1. Data mining firms like CA are employed to identify pro-BJP people.

2. Once done, fake or real fellow sympathizers contact such people via FB or WA and ask to be included in the 'friend' circle.

3. Said 'friend' starts off with posts and forwards that are in complete resonance with the larger BJP narrative.

4. Gradually you come to accept said friend as a genuine Dharmic and as gung-ho about Modi and BJP as you are.

5. As important events approach - eg UP or Karnataka elections, you start receiving a seemingly supportive and yet critical post/fw from these people saying Modi/BJP is not doing enough or has done something not helpful to your cause. Thus, a sin of omission or commission allegedly perpetrated by those you have high hopes from.

6. The din and noise continues and increases in decibels as the crisis approaches. You are constantly reminded that perhaps BJP is not the party you should after all be supporting and voting for. It is done so subtly at times that you are completely taken in. we've seen this ourselves here on BGF and earlier on BRF where somebody pretends to be a Modi supporter and yet if you read between the lines the intent is clear. Eventually such a person outs himself inadvertently when something like Demo happens and it is simply too much to pretend any more.

Not pointing any fingers at any individual at all, just saying this is a dangerous game and the stakes are too high for us to relax our vigilance in any way.

[Gus]

problem is admk. they should have come out forcefully in the beginning itself and nipped this in the bud.

they let these fires rage, because it was useful for them at that time as a pressure against bjp.

now fire is out of control.

JJ did it intentionally for relief in court cases, EPS did not address these issues forcefully as he did not want to be tagged as pro-modi and now he is being exposed as incompetent and backed into a corner.

any move he does will be painted as pro-modi. what he fails to realize is, not doing any moves is not going to get him any favors. the only way to address issues, is to take them head-on and put instigators in their place and the general people can be assuaged with welfare schemes and good governance later.

[SSundar]

any move he does will be painted as pro-modi. what he fails to realize is, not doing any moves is not going to get him any favors. the only way to address issues, is to take them head-on and put instigators in their place and the general people can be assuaged with welfare schemes and good governance later.

Too late for EPS. He has already been tagged heavily as a Modi-slave, and any further inaction on his part is only deepening the rot in TN. He is already outnumbered and outgunned by the EJ ecosystem in TN. Since he is in a damned-if-you-do-or-don't situation, he might as well overtly become a pro-Hindu force. Given TN's demography, that might save his political career.

[MehtaRahulC]

(1) How skillfully CA etc are used to cover loot unleashed by RSS leaders and RSS workers

1. Data mining firms like CA are employed to identify pro-BJP people.

2. Once done, fake or real fellow sympathizers contact such people via FB or WA and ask to be included in the 'friend' circle.

There are NO fake identifies on WhatsApp !!!

3. Said 'friend' starts off with posts and forwards that are in complete resonance with the larger BJP narrative.

4. Gradually you come to accept said friend as a genuine Dharmic and as gung-ho about Modi and BJP as you are.

A person on FB will accept a friend as Dharmic or committed ONLY after he personally knows that that person is REAL and not a fake profile. NOT merely by his posts. So a fake id will never get any value in FB

5. As important events approach - eg UP or Karnataka elections, you start receiving a seemingly supportive and yet critical post/fw from these people saying Modi/BJP is not doing enough or has done something not helpful to your cause. Thus, a sin of omission or commission allegedly perpetrated by those you have high hopes from.

6. The din and noise continues and increases in decibels as the crisis approaches. You are constantly reminded that perhaps BJP is not the party you should after all be supporting and voting for. It is done so subtly at times that you are completely taken in. we've seen this ourselves here on BGF and earlier on BRF where somebody pretends to be a Modi supporter and yet if you read between the lines the intent is clear. Eventually such a person outs himself inadvertently when something like Demo happens and it is simply too much to pretend any more.

So temple land loot unleashed by rss-leaders and rss-workers in MH is all fake creation of CA?

And looting private schools and forcing them to shut down by rss leaders/workers in MH and across India is all fake creation of CA?

Modiji's decision to exterminate desiness in desi cows by promoting holsteign / jerse bull semen is also CA's handiwork?

Modiji's decision to WRONGLY curse doctors , and project them as commission-khor, was also due to CA? or was that video fake and photoshoped by CA?

Looks like CA has taken over Modiji, rss-leaders and rss-workers and CA has convinced them to loot temples , private schools etc !!!

CA seems to have too much influence on Modiji, rss-leaders and rss-workers. Because I know many people on FB. And all of them work by REAL information they see and they dont see, and not by propaganda posts.

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(2) Tamil naadu mess is due to corruption in judges and deliberate slow speed of judges , and SoMoKe's decision NOT to fix courts

People in some district in TN had grievances against some mega copper smelting project in TN. They did approach court, filed PILs etc, But due to corruption of judges, courts are slow and so courts did NOT bring a satificatory resilution. In either case, such problem should be resolved by giving FULL informatiobn, fair JURY trials, referendum etc. But instead of all, the problem was simply left unattended by all apex autorities - courts, TN state govt, central govt etc. And so protest grew, policemn had to fire and now we have dozen people dead

At core is refusual of SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers to bring is better mechanisms like referendum, narcotest in public on corrupt and nexused officials and deply means to fix courts. SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers oppose referendum/Jury like measures because of their anti-democratic mindset which they rationalize by lies like "commons in India are stupid, tempramental etc etc" . And so such protests keep growing. Of course, to cover up these causes, theeir andhbhagats will now "prove" by giving "creative evidences" that mess was created by Cambidige Analytics !!!

SOLUTION? My suggestion to all who want this "protest and firing" problems to reduce is --- pls publicize laws to fix courts and bring public opinions (referendum etc). And pls dont waste time after SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers . There are many good proposals on FB which you can see, and promote.

[arshyam]

So much for the protest being peaceful, called by 'innocent' people. I am sure the media and the film industry (who are into everything but films these days) will now work themselves into a frenzy and lay a nicely packaged narrative at Modi's feet. But, let's see the d-day reports first, before the narrative is sought to be set.

Posting these articles in full - please share and disseminate as needed.

10 killed in police firing as anti-Sterlite rally turns violent in Thoothukudi - J Praveen Paul Joseph

At least 10 persons, including a 17-year-old girl, were killed in police firing at a massive rally taken out demanding the closure of Sterlite Copper, a Vedanta group copper smelter unit, in the port town of Thoothukudi in south Tamil Nadu on Tuesday.

The rally in which thousands of local people participated under the banner of ‘Anti Sterlite Movement’, turned violent in the morning with sections of protesters allegedly setting fire to vehicles, including those belonging to the police.

Around 60 persons, including police personnel, suffered injuries in stone-throwing and were admitted to the Government Medical College Hospital. Thoothukudi GH sources said the condition of two more gunfire victims is critical.

Police personnel were deployed at SAV grounds in Thoothukudi on Monday for anti-Sterlite protests.
Police personnel were deployed at SAV grounds in Thoothukudi on Monday for anti-Sterlite protests. | Photo Credit: N. Rajesh


A team of vascular surgeons from Madurai GH are rushing for assistance. Police had on Monday night clamped prohibitory orders in Thoothukudi after the Movement, along with opposition parties and traders’ and fishermen bodies, called for a march to the Collectorate demanding closure of Sterlite Copper.

Tuesday marked the 100th day of the latest round of protests against the company, which has been accused of being responsible for air and water pollution leading to health hazards.

Violence broke out when a large number of protesters, who took out a rally from various places of Thoothukudi, moved up to the four-road intersection close to the traffic signal on Palayamkottai Road.

Since prohibitory orders were in force they were denied permission by police personnel to proceed further. Angry protesters started to hurl stones and footwear at policemen, who carried shields with protective outfit.

All attempts to stop the protesters failed and they marched ahead after breaking the barricades and toppling a striking force vehicle near the traffic signal. The police made yet another attempt near the Third Mile bridge on the Palayamkottai Road to control the protest. Tear gas was used to quell the rioting mob, which continued to regroup. An explosive substance was thrown at the police.

Meanwhile, a few photo journalists were manhandled by some protesters. The Hindu’s Rajesh was assaulted and a memory card removed from his camera.

Vehicles set ablaze as anti-Sterlite protests rage on in Thoothukudi
Vehicles set ablaze as anti-Sterlite protests rage on in Thoothukudi | Photo Credit: N. Rajesh

Protesters vent fury on Collectorate

The Thoothukudi Collectorate became the object of fury of the anti-Sterlite protesters.

The violence snowballed when the protesters entered the Collectorate after clearing barricades and pelted stones causing damage to window panes of office buildings.

They torched many vehicles parked on the Collectorate premises and other places.

The scene resembled a war zone in hours as about 50 two-wheelers, six government vehicles and two cars were damaged or torched by the protesters inside the Collectorate.

Officials evacuated

Smoke emanating from the Collectorate, which stood deserted, could be seen even from a distance. Almost all officials were evacuated to safer places.

Senior police officials are monitoring the situation, which was brought under control in the afternoon.

Jury still out on what triggered the violence - P. Sudhakar, The Hindu

Police rebut ‘intelligence failure’ charge; say revolutionary groups have hijacked the protest and given it a violent dimension

Following Tuesday’s violence which led to police firing during the anti-Sterlite agitation in Thoothukudi, officials of the Revenue department and the police came up with different versions of what led to the deterioration of the law and order situation on the ground. While Revenue officials felt the Intelligence Wing of the police had failed to foresee a protest of such magnitude, the police alleged that the involvement of members of a few “radical groups” in the agitation motivated the protesters to indulge in violence.

The police claimed that the “infiltration” of the anti-Sterlite agitation by members of a few “revolutionary groups” added a violent dimension to the stir. Some residents of A. Kumareddiyarpuram, Kazhuthaikoottam alias Silverpuram, Pandaarampatti, Madathur and S. Veerapandiapuram, situated near the Sterlite copper unit, where people have been holding agitations for the past several weeks, acknowledged that the presence of a few “outsiders” might have undermined the “peaceful agitation.”

“The fiery speech by the ‘outsiders’ added vigour to the ongoing peaceful anti-Sterlite agitation in our village. They asked us to wage a spirited fight against the official machinery if we really wanted to ensure the permanent closure of Sterlite copper. Now, the agitation, which was going along a peaceful path, has lost its way and several lives [have also been lost],” said a teacher.

The police claimed that these “outsiders”, including women, had strong connections with “extremist organisations that do not believe in peaceful agitations.”

A retired college professor said the police should have taken the invitation posted on social media, calling on the residents of Thoothukudi to participate in the “all-out anti-Sterlite agitation”, seriously. “The words used in the invitation were quite disturbing.It encouraged them to do whatever they could to ensure its [Sterlite’s] immediate and permanent closure,” he said.

Presence of ‘outsiders’

A special branch constable, who keenly followed the protests, said a group of people, who guided the anti-hydrocarbon and pro-jallikattu protests, had visited these hamlets a few weeks ago in five batches. “They were in constant touch with the locals. After their visit, the anti-Sterlite slogans raised by locals assumed more vigour. The street plays and songs resembled those during the jallikattu and anti-hydrocarbon agitations,” he said.

However, the police are yet to come up with an explanation as to why these “outsiders” were not singled out and nabbed earlier.

“Only after the loss of lives in the police firing, the number of policemen deployed iwas increased from 1,500 to 2,500. This is due to the failure of intelligence,” a senior Revenue official said.

Journalists caught in the crossfire - N. Rajesh, The Hindu

On Tuesday morning, I was waiting with fellow journalists at the VVD signal on Palayamkottai Road to cover the anti-Sterlite procession towards the Thoothukudi Collectorate.

A strong posse of policemen, led by Deputy Inspector General of Police Kapil Saratkar, had erected barricades to prevent people from reaching the Collectorate.

The DIG told the agitators that they had registered their protest against Sterlite with a march from Madhakoil to the VVD signal, and urged them to give up their stir and disperse peacefully.

Even as the police were holding talks with the protesters, a section of the agitators pulled out a barricade and tried to hurl it at the police. It was then that the police began a lathicharge, around 10.30 a.m. However, the crowd, which outnumbered the police, started hurling stones at the law enforcement officers, who ran helter-skelter. As I felt that things were getting serious, I went to the Bypass Road, where the protesters were trying to sneak into the Collectorate. .Around 11 a.m., as the crowd attempted to surge into the Bypass Road, the police fired tear gas shells. Suddenly, a violent mob started chasing the Vajra [riot control] vehicle, and the police beat a retreat.

Immediately, I rushed towards the Collectorate with a few other journalists. I was perched atop a hotel building opposite the Collectorate for a vantage position to cover the goings-on. Around 11.30 a.m., a section of protesters, who barged into the Collectorate, started setting vehicles ablaze.

When some of them noticed us photographing and videographing the violent scenes, they started pelting us with stones. When we came downstairs, six to seven persons started assaulting us with clubs. Had I not covered myself with my camera bag, I would have sustained serious injuries on my neck. However, I could not prevent them from hitting my back and my arms and smashing my spectacles. One of them snatched my camera. Later, someone handed it back to me and I found that some frames had been erased.

From an article on TheNewsMinute:
Sterlite protest: Eleven dead in Thoothukudi as police, protesters clash - Manasa Rao, Priyanka Thirumurthy, Tuesday, May 22, 2018 - 16:05

"The protests began peacefully with one lakh agitators. They were all heading towards the Collectorate and were walking on the Palayamkottai road. But when they were stopped and lathi charge happened, they began burning bikes of police officers and barricades were pushed away. The atmosphere became violent and mob-like. Things intensified when we arrived at the Sterlite quarters. A lock was broken and people began to light cars on fire. The protesters were also carrying petrol bombs. Journalists at the site were also attacked. The police were largely outnumbered. And people began falling back only after the police began shooting," said Elena, freelance video journalist.

Clearly, some planning has gone into this so-called peaceful protest. It will be very hard for the govt to deal with the fallout as people have died, and the govt cannot appear to use these reports to stand firm - they'll appear callous. But appearing to cave-in will bring in its own long term consequences on the state's environment and the law-and-order machinery (this protest itself are one of those consequences of caving into the Koodankulam protests a long time ago). A firm but fine tightrope walk is needed, is EPS up to it?

[SSundar]

In less than 24 hours after the Sterlite incident:

1. Horrific photos of dead bodies - purportedly of victims of police shooting - have emerged on WhatsApp.
2. Strongly worded Naxal-like Tamil poems are being spread on WhatsApp.
3. YouTube music videos of similar Naxal-like songs have emerged and are going viral.
4. Strong presence of influencers blaming the whole thing on Modi.
5. Videos of police shooting at crowds of civilians (cut and paste job) being looped in Tamil electronic media.
6. Employees of Collectorate and Government Departments who narrowly escaped the frenzied mobs but lost property and vehicles talk about really angry mobs that came for them.

This is a campaign, not an incident. BIF in full frenzy.

[MehtaRahulC]

In less than 24 hours after the Sterlite incident:

1. Horrific photos of dead bodies - purportedly of victims of police shooting - have emerged on WhatsApp.

Are the photos fake or real? I bet they are real. They are real because a crowd of 10s of 1000s went bersheck and policemen were left with no option but to shoot. And whatsapp messages come to you from someone whom you PERSONALLY know or someone who is personally know to a group admin you personally know . Posts on whatsapp dont fall from sky or come from CA directly as you are implying

2. Strongly worded Naxal-like Tamil poems are being spread on WhatsApp.

Someone you personally know is a "naxal-like" fellow. Or someone personally known to a group admin you personally know is a naxal like fellow. And what defines a "naxal like" fellow is not clear to me, but I suppose anyone who opposes Modiji must be some "naxal like" fellow in your dictionary !! Whatever it means --- all you have to do to block this CA agent is to block him on whatsapp or leave the group !!

3. YouTube music videos of similar Naxal-like songs have emerged and are going viral.
4. Strong presence of influencers blaming the whole thing on Modi.
5. Videos of police shooting at crowds of civilians (cut and paste job) being looped in Tamil electronic media.
6. Employees of Collectorate and Government Departments who narrowly escaped the frenzied mobs but lost property and vehicles talk about really angry mobs that came for them.

This is a campaign, not an incident. BIF in full frenzy.

Yeah yeah yeah. In 60 years, congress ruined courts and they are not be to blamed. In 4 years, Modiji refused to fix courts and further ruined them, and he too cant be blamed. None should be blamed for opposing referendum like means to make public opinion (against polluting factories or other menances) clear to all. only CA should be blamed for making some memes and videos out of real photoes and videos !!!

All in all, Modiji shows zero interest in curbing foreign companies like facebook, whatsapp etc. In fact, Modij even uploaded a picture which was promoting facebook's internet initiative called "freebasics" !! And Modiji printed no law to end FAKE profiles in FB , by making rule that profiles in FB must be linked to mobile number or aadhar or may be both !!! And now when facebook etc add fuel to fire, you work to ensure that no blame should be thrown on Modiji
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My proposal is to end fb asap. And while fb lasts, GoI should ask FB to make all profiles whose mobile isnt verified, blocked for viewers inside India. But strangely, Modiji's supporters are the first people to oppose such ant-FB proposals !!!

[Gus]

Some aholes are id’ing Police personnel and tagging their social media pages and even outing addresses.

EPS has to act. Let’s see what’s he made of.

[ricky]

The sterlite case seems to be an extortion project, with the stupid and enthusiastic emotionally charged masses acting as a vanguard against the "evil corporations", tinged with the usual naxal angst against the wealthy oppressors. It was the same way with the nuclear agitations, when the "do-gooders" rallied with funding from foreign countries on which our imports were/are dependent.
Arguing things dispassionately would resolve many issues, unfortunately when the masses have decided that they would rather follow a pied piper rather than using their own brains, the others would happily oblige and direct these human husks against the might of the native government; to free these people from "bondage","slavery" and hindutva off-course.
BTW, found this entry on the wiki entry on tuticorin:

Thoothukudi, BanSterlite KickOutVedanta also known as Tuticorin(In English), is a port city and a municipal corporation and an industrial city in Thoothukudi district in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu. The city lies in the Coromandel Coast of Bay of Bengal. Thoothukudi is the headquarters of Thoothukudi district.

PS: Agree with Mehta Rahul C, on the need of dismantling FB and other foreign sm outlets in desh, provided we have an infrastructure not reliant on goi for this; otherwise, a fart in a sm thread from questionable sources might culminate into a thunder when it reaches the ground level. Unfortunately, sm is like a utility now, it cannot be done away with entirely without any comparable replacement.

[Sachin]

The very fact that the core is willing to sabotage 2019, WITHOUT offering any alternative, is indication enough that they are clueless and cant be relied upon.

The more I read about this so called "Core" and their demands, I feel that this group is either clueless, or actually trojan horses. The BJP is a cadre party and by now would really know who wants want, and can wait to what extent. The "Core" group seems to be either neo-converts to BJP, or an impatient group who just want their pet peeves to be addressed first. The BJP won with a huge majority in LS 2014 because it judged the pulse of the people quite well. I don't think so they have lost the capability to do that this time around as well. How much of pro-Hindu religious stuff they could do is debatable, but when it gets debated we also need to see the possibility of any thing like that happening considering the existing legal/social/political situation in today's India.

The main NGO coordinating the Sterlite protests is an EJ named Fathima Babu.

Is it? This Deccan Chornicle report mentions of S.P Udayakumar of Koodankulam fame organising the protests. And Fathima Babu was even accused of actually colluding with the police, because she was close to ADMK.

The sterlite case seems to be an extortion project, with the stupid and enthusiastic emotionally charged masses acting as a vanguard against the "evil corporations", tinged with the usual naxal angst against the wealthy oppressors. It was the same way with the nuclear agitations, when the "do-gooders" rallied with funding from foreign countries on which our imports were/are dependent.

When people like S.P Udayakumar are involved, the EJ church cannot be far behind. This is an out right EJ scheme to scuttle any major scheme in the area. The Jehadis are more direct in their approach, EJs are more shady (but have a much better plan to be rolled out).

[ricky]

When people like S.P Udayakumar are involved, the EJ church cannot be far behind. This is an out right EJ scheme to scuttle any major scheme in the area. The Jehadis are more direct in their approach, EJs are more shady (but have a much better plan to be rolled out).

Indeed, sir, but one must ask, why sterlite at tuticorin? TN is a fairly industrialized state, and wiki shows that the city has many and more industries, why single out sterlite for the special attention?

[SSundar]

Indeed, sir, but one must ask, why sterlite at tuticorin? TN is a fairly industrialized state, and wiki shows that the city has many and more industries, why single out sterlite for the special attention?

This article from 2010 might answer your question.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/U. ... 987903.ece

Tribals
Environment
Human Rights
NGOs
Church of England
Norwegian Investment Fund
MMS
Sonia Gandhi

Now that's enough BIF variables in the mix to make a delicious mixed fruit jam.

[Vikas]

Can and should everything be dumped on EJ and BIF.
Are we at some level acting like Pakis believing in all sorts of CT.
I may not agree with Rahul Mehta's line of thinking but he is right. FB and WA messages don't fall out of sky.
How many of you have your brain washed by unknown pics and forwards ? It isn't like rest of the people outside BGR are fools.

PS: Who is this core everyone keeps talking about ? Is anyone of us part of the core. I will vote for NM and I don't have any short term demands from his govt. Does that exclude me from the core.

[chetak]

This should be more than reason enough to vote the right person in, in the 2019 gen elections.

BTW, even the jews have shown their appreciations, not just the parsis.



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I do not imagine there is another country where the indigenous majority are on such a defensive, being attacked from within and funded against from without! The continuing story of the Hindus! Only the Parsis showed appreciation, loyalty and integration!

The Ayatollahs of (fake) secularism are back & everyone seems to be ganging up against Modi: the Church, Muslims, Dalits, activists, NGOs, the opposition, culture vultures, foreign media. Everyone except...voters

[manju]

Vote on this survey

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[la.khan]

This should be more than reason enough to vote the right person in, in the 2019 gen elections.

BTW, even the jews have shown their appreciations, not just the parsis.

Jews & Parsis have no problem with India as she is. May be, because these are too few in number to make a ripple in 130+ crore population. Dharmic religious minorities (Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism) have no problems with Sanaatana Dharma either.

It is these imports (RoP, RoL) that are unable to get along with Dharmic religions. These imports are incompatible with the ethos of Sanaatana Dharma, with their One God, One book, Last prophet blah blah blah

Vote on this survey

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Please do your bit

Done!

[Pratyush]

Voted in the survey.

[SSundar]

Can and should everything be dumped on EJ and BIF.
Are we at some level acting like Pakis believing in all sorts of CT.

Well, that argument works when your sample size is 3. When your sample size is 100 and you actually see tangible evidence of EJ involvement in every one of those, you would have to be Sagarika Ghose to be thoroughly convinced that this is all done by the Gaumutra-walas to defame the world's most charitable religion.

I may not agree with Rahul Mehta's line of thinking but he is right. FB and WA messages don't fall out of sky.
How many of you have your brain washed by unknown pics and forwards ? It isn't like rest of the people outside BGR are fools.

FB and WA messages do not fall out of the sky. They are created by those with motivation, time and adequate access to computer and graphics tools. What is the probability that an incident occurs this afternoon and 50 memes you see in your WA feed the next morning are purely random events created by unrelated people? Wouldn't we at least entertain the possibility that someone is employing and compensating particularly productive people with such memes creation skills?

[JohnTitor]

It is these imports (RoP, RoL) that are unable to get along with Dharmic religions. These imports are incompatible with the ethos of Sanaatana Dharma, with their One God, One book, Last prophet blah blah blah

They are unable to get along with anyone, including their own.

[sbajwa]

Vote on this survey

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rate modi

Please do your bit

Looks like fake survey as they say "Results will be shared on May 26th" and they can share any type of results

[suryag]

Am pretty sure the survey will be positive for modi, give false confidence and lull them into complacency

[Gus]

Can and should everything be dumped on EJ and BIF.
Are we at some level acting like Pakis believing in all sorts of CT.

i don't think this is linked to some larger EJ thing about pushing for conversion

but, there is some interplay. local church figures are involved in the protest. that much is clear.

currently, it's a free for all..all sorts of riff raffs are into these protests..commies, naxal outfits, environmentalists, tamil nationalists, mini celebrities from movie industry, online celebrities, media editors, dk, dmk, inc etc..they all give different arguments but all roads lead to rome..and all arguments end up with 'hate modi'.

it's become so toxic that a few folks have told me "how can you be not against this..this is all modi telling eps" ..and right on cue rahul gandhi tweets the rss bullets killed the protesters.

[Gus]

vikas - as i said, i don't know if this is ej agenda..but what are these padres doing leading this protest..