The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Trilobite » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:52 pm

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I don't like this tu tu mein mein, but don't be such whining cry babies. You guys can trash BJP all day long os fascists, Nazis, "maut ka sudagars' you name it. From day 1 that ModiJi has been in office, its nothing but abuse directed against him and BJP. So you can dish it out, but can't take it?
Agree with the tu tu main part. No doubt that political parties will take swipe at each other, that is given, but calling opposition women leaders as bitches crosses all lines of decency particularly when used by the party president himself. You can mark my word this will have serious repercussion on the outcome of UP election in 2019 if gentle folks of UP are made aware that the president of certain party addressed women leaders as "Kutti".

Modi himself has not been immune, he has dished out in equal measure or worse. I don't recall any other PM of India ever using the kind of language Modi has used over the last 4-5 years.

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Post by Gus » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:35 pm

how utterly utterly idiotic and filled with hatred should one be that they do not understand basic concepts of analogy.

Tilogolodobyte..if I say you are dumb as a brick

are you going to say...bricks don't breathe. I breathe.. :rotfl:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:11 pm

Trilobite wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:52 pm

Agree with the tu tu main part. No doubt that political parties will take swipe at each other, that is given, but calling opposition women leaders as bitches crosses all lines of decency particularly when used by the party president himself. You can mark my word this will have serious repercussion on the outcome of UP election in 2019 if gentle folks of UP are made aware that the president of certain party addressed women leaders as "Kutti".

Modi himself has not been immune, he has dished out in equal measure or worse. I don't recall any other PM of India ever using the kind of language Modi has used over the last 4-5 years.
Come on, cut the crap. You may be a Pappu bhakt, you are entitled to your choice, but you must be living in an alternate fake universe to suggest that ModiJi has dished out anything. The poor guy has been the object of a pre-meditated, malicious, viscous, hate campaign by the Lutyen media spearheaded by scroll, print, Undy, Indian(Paki) Express, Hindustan(Paki)Times, you name it. The poor guys has not been allowed to do his job in parliament. Couple that with slander campaign some Lutyen elite rats with access to western media has indulged in; it almost makes one puke when the perpetrators of fake news, fake analysis, hate campaign etc masquerade as victims.

Another thing that gets my goat with Lutyens media. These pukes who can't do one honest good investigative report from J&K to expose Paki perfidy, not one fart has the b@lls to do an expose on US arms sales to TSP and how that is helping Pakis punch above their weight, not one puke has ever reported anything on Chinese machinations; all of these pompous farts go up in arms against BJP for curbing 'free speech' or 'curbing the media' and such. The bloody idiots day in and day and scream hate and vitriol against ModiJi and yet they whine. In fact, useless clowns don't deserve 'free speech'.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:33 am

LKA and his missed chances, brajesh mishra and his "loyalties".

Is India forever condemned to live in it's past, continuing to pay for the follies of the days gone by, haunted by the shenanigans of the entrenched deep state baboo(n)s, running riot at the slightest opportunity??.

the mishra family was aware enough, politically, as well as self preservation wise, to "refuse" some padma award, hastily conjured up and pointedly proferred by the mafia gang, in it's dying days, as a tangible inducement to future bureaucratic termite behaviour and continued personal loyalties to the family.

That the message has been received loud and clear is evident from the unfazed and biased actions of many baboo(n)s, bankers as well as presstitutes who pine for the return of the mafia and their own "acche din".

The stick, a most essential and phenomenally effective tool in the Indian style of management, is sadly missing in the Modi arsenal.



Lankan PM Ranil ‘too nice’ for his job

Lankan PM Ranil ‘too nice’ for his job

Geopolitical Notes From India

M D Nalapat

April 6, 2018

COLOMBO is among the most pleasant cities for a tourist to visit, and there are few hotels which can match the majestic Galle Face Hotel on Galle Road. Next door to the hotel is the High Commission of India, and next to that the US Embassy. These days, the closeness of the two compounds to each other mirror the growing partnership between Washington and Delhi, two capitals that have been far apart for much of the past. But the attractions of the hotel is not only its Old World charm but the view of the waves of the sea from the oceanfront hotel, followed by the calming sound the seawater makes as it reaches the beach. However, April 04 was far from a calm day for Ranil Wickermasinghe, the Prime Minister of Sri Lanka, who faced a “Loss of Confidence” motion against him in Parliament that day. Ever courteous and soft-spoken, it must have been an effort for the UNF leader to remain calm as speaker after speaker excoriated him and called for him to step down, including several who had been his supporters till recently.

After the formidable Junius Richard Jayawardene, it had been Ranil who had taken up the leadership of his party, and after a lapse of three decades, it is clear that most of his party colleagues want to see another individual take charge. The most popular among these is the son of a former President, the legislator Sajith Premadasa. Even though Prime Minister Wickremasinghe is an outstanding human being and a competent administrator, it is clear that he has overstayed his welcome within the ambitious ranks of his own party. The consequence is that whatever is left of the remainder of his term in the second highest office in Sri Lanka ( after the Presidency of the Republic) will be marked with acrimony and controversy. Given the spreading sentiment against Ranil’s continuance, it would be best if he were to voluntarily quit rather than get forced out of office. This No Confidence motion has not succeeded, but others are certain to follow,in different guises. Indeed,the opposition motion was secretly encouraged by ambitious people from Ranil’s own party,the UNF .

Watching what is taking place in the Sri Lankan parliament about a PM who has stayed too long, Atal Behari Vajpayee comes to mind. By the close of 2002, Vajpayee had clearly lost the robust health needed to do justice to a job that mandates a gruelling workday. His medications made it difficult for Vajpayee to concentrate on the tasks and crises that he was confronted with on a daily basis, with the result that effective authority shifted to Principal Secretary to Prime Minister and National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra. From around July 2002, it was Mishra rather than Vajpayee who was calling the shots in the Prime Minister’s Office,the hub of governance in India. Being a lifelong bureaucrat averse to listening to any view or individual he disliked (and this was a long list), “Executive PM” Mishra in effect took precedence in policy over the Cabinet Ministers in the Vajpayee government, including Deputy Prime Minister and Union Home Minister Lal Krishna Advani, who has always been unable to go against either Vajpayee or those nominated by Vajpayee to exercise his powers.

The lack of political antennae of Mishra and his (not surprising) bureaucratised approach to policy resulted in decisions being taken by the BJP-led government that steadily reduced the party’s popularity among its supporters, with the result that enough of them stayed home during polling day in 2004 to ensure that the Congress Party led by Sonia Gandhi prevailed over the BJP in the Lok Sabha ( Lower House) elections to the national parliament. Had Vajpayee gracefully accepted that the state of his health made it impossible to continue into 2003,and handed over the baton to Advani, the BJP may have retained its hold on power in 2009. The health crisis facing Vajpayee made the Prime Minster offer his resignation. but this was tearfully turned down by Advani. The chance to be PM comes but once in a lifetime, and Advani lost it in 2002 by putting his affection for Vajpayee above the needs of the BJP and the country for a healthy PM. In the 2009 polls, Advani failed to enthuse voters and the BJP lost further ground to the Congress, regaining power only under Narendra Modi in 2004, who however seems to be going the Vajpayee way in being excessively dependent on officials for both policy formulation as well as implementation.

The problem with Ranil Wickremasinghe is that he is too nice for the job. The Prime Minister of a country should not be a “nice guy” who is obliging to as many people or interests as possible. He or she needs to be tough on certain issues, the way former President of Sri Lanka Mahinda Rajapaksa was when faced in 2009 with calls from the US and the EU to give LTTE leader Prabhakaran a safe exit from the trap that the Sri Lankan military had laid for him under the guidance of Defence Secretary Gotabhaya Rajapaksa. Because of the Sri Lankan leader’s refusal to obey powerful countries used to deferential behaviour from others, Mahinda Rajapaksa ( with help from a few friendly countries) defeated the LTTE and ensured the end of terrorism in the island. As a consequence, the Sri Lankan economy started to improve and these days, the nightmare of violence and terror attacks that was the norm in the past is becoming a distant memory.

However, current President Sirisena and Prime Minister Wickremasinghe are seen by many as too eager to please the “international community” (CNN and BBC-speak for the US and the EU) by giving unprecedented concessions on sovereignity and self-respect to the US-EU combination who interfere in the guise of “ protecting human rights”. The concessions given by Sirisena and Ranil to Washington and its European allies will not save the Sri Lankan government from harsh demands to punish the Sri Lankan military for shaming NATO by defeating the LTTE in a way that NATO failed to do with the Taliban in Afghanistan and with Al Qaeda and Daesh in the Middle East, despite killing several tens of times more civilians than the Sri Lankan military did in its war with the LTTE. While Russia,Syria and Iran did the heavy lifting against Daesh, CNN_BBC-Al Jazeera gives the credit to NATO, the way the US and the UK forgot that it was Moscow that defeated Hitler from 1943 to 1945. More than any other reason, it is the perception by Sri Lankans of Sirisena and Ranil bowing to US-EU pressure that is clearing a way for the return to power of former President Mahinda Rajapaksa in the next Sri Lankan election .

—The writer is Vice-Chair, Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO Peace Chair & Professor of Geopolitics, Manipal University, Haryana State, India.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:36 am

It seems like everyone had been invited to the big party thrown by the UPA mafia.

Many have also gate crashed it.

The mafia had already made "arrangements" to fight the 2019 elections until FCRA and demon hit them like a tsunami. No wonder the fakers have panicked, with a lot of their hawala inflows now being tracked.


Writing off NPAs has generated Rs 40,000cr in illegal profits

Writing off NPAs has generated Rs 40,000cr in illegal profits

Shantanu Guha Ray

April 7, 2018,

Strangely, the investigating agencies have so far ignored the flourishing NPA creation industry.


At the heart of the ICICI-Dhoot-Deepak Kochhar imbroglio is the issue of brokerage and the way it works between clients and banks in South Asia.

Even as investigations continued over the alleged role of Chanda Kochhar, MD-CEO of India’s largest private sector ICICI Bank, in disbursing loans to companies with links to her husband, Deepak, experts in Delhi decoded the way such brokerage works, although it must be added that so far no such link has been claimed by the investigating authorities in the ICICI case.

Within the hugely profitable “writing off of NPAs industry” that has proliferated in India, 5% brokerage for loans between banks and clients is considered standard business practice. But, claimed experts, if another 5% is paid by the client to the broker and if the broker is related to a top bank official, then more cash may change hands.

For every lakh extended, brokerage of Rs 5,000 could be paid by a broker to the bank. For every lakh crore, this figure could go as high as Rs 5,000 crore. “India has Rs 2,000,000 crore of NPAs. The brokerage payable would be huge,” said Gopal Aggarwal, who heads BJP’s Economic Cell. Aggarwal said he estimates that brokerage on declaring loans as NPAs may have gone as high as Rs 40,000 crore. Strangely, the investigating agencies have so far ignored the flourishing NPA creation industry, which is at the root of the crisis in Indian banking. This points to the patronage the hidden industry is getting from influential officials and politicians since two decades.

The crisis is big, and growing bigger by the hour.


Turning now to the ICICI investigation, Chanda Kochhar could put in her papers if pressures mount. Else, she could excuse herself from her day-to-day operations of India’s largest private bank till the time her name is cleared from such charges levelled by the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI).

There are high chances that RBI could ask Chanda to step aside and institute an independent inquiry commission and look into the matter of this scam. There are high chances that the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) will get involved to look into the loan of crores of rupees given to a shell company.

“This is a serious issue. ICICI has close to 50% foreign ownership and is answerable to the whole world. It is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol IBN,” said a senior government official in Delhi.

Highly informed sources said the Ministry of Finance (MoF) has nominated Lok Ranjan, a joint secretary in the Department of Financial Services of the MoF on the board of ICICI Bank as the government nominee to stem the rot and control the crisis, especially issues that could trigger some volatile movements in the market.
Repeated attempts to seek reactions from ICICI, Videocon and Kochhar proved futile.

The sources further said the MoF was contemplating looking into the role of its own Department of Financial Services (DFS), ostensibly because private banks like Axis and ICICI have substantial government holding. Moreover, the DFS appoints all PSB officers at ED and above levels, while Board level posts are cleared by the all powerful Appointments Committee of the Cabinet (ACC).

Interestingly, this is not the first time ICICI was trying to salvage the situation for Videocon. Way back in 1998, the bank helped Videocon raise what was then a whopping Rs 1,526 crore to repay institutional loans and other liabilities. The news was scooped by seasoned journalist Sucheta Dalal, who then was the business editor of the Times of India (TOI) [see image].

The decision to send in the joint secretary, DFS, has the support of the Reserve Bank of India (RBI). The decision was taken by the government after the CBI issued lookout notices against Kochhar’s husband Deepak and Venugopal Dhoot, the chairman of the Aurangabad-based Videocon group.

The government, it is reliably learnt, is keen to get to the bottom of the case, even if ICICI is India’s largest private bank. The Supreme Court has already ruled that for Prevention of Corruption Act, chairpersons of private banks shall be considered public servants. This was the ruling on 23 February 2016, by a bench consisting of Ranjan Gogoi and Prafulla C. Pant. This ruling came down in the case of Global Trust Bank, where the chairman and managing director abused their position to siphon off cash.

The Supreme Court recently empowered the RBI and its Governor Urjit Patel to take action. Since millions of depositors are following the case, RBI is expected to act quickly.

In a recent speech, Patel—his reference was to the Nirav Modi scam involving the Punjab National Bank (PNB)—expressed helplessness about not having adequate legal powers to supervise and manage PSU banks.

Chanda, considered among the most powerful figures in India’s banking and corporate circles, has admitted to her friends that the crisis is the “toughest” in her 34-year banking career. She has been troubled by a steady rise of non-performing assets (NPAs) and RBI’s penalties on ICICI Bank over the last one year, but those were nothing in comparison to the controversy alleging her of making personal gains, involving her husband Deepak and relating to loans given to Videocon Group.

The CBI says Chanda influenced the decision to give loans worth Rs 3,250 crore to Videocon as Venugopal had business dealings with the banker’s husband Deepak’s firm, NuPower Renewables. The news surfaced after Arvind Gupta, an ICICI Bank shareholder, wrote a letter to the Prime Minister, Finance Minister, RBI Governor and investigating agencies, seeking “appropriate investigation into illicit banking and commercial relationship between Venugopal and Chanda Kochhar’s family owned NuPower Renewable Group steered by her husband Deepak”.

The CBI notices were issued on 6 April 2017, a day after Deepak’s brother, Rajiv, the son-in-law of former Maharashtra Chief Secretary Sharad Upasani, was questioned at Mumbai airport and not allowed to travel to Singapore.

Rajiv, who is being questioned by the CBI as part of a probe into loans given by the bank to Videocon Group, runs financial services firm Avista Corporate Finance, the Indian arm of the Avista Advisory Group, a Singapore-based financial services firm owned by Rajiv Kochhar-promoted Hillingdon Holdings.

At the Mumbai airport, Rajiv was questioned for seven hours. Interestingly, Avista Advisory was “credit adviser” to the debt-laden Videocon group for the restructuring of an FCCB (Foreign Currency Convertible Bond).

At its offices in Mumbai’s Bandra Kurla Complex, the CBI had questioned a host of ICICI Bank officials in connection with the allegation that a quid pro quo was involved in the bank issuing a Rs 3,250 crore loan to the Videocon Group in 2012. The quid pro quo allegation is related to a deal that Deepak’s company, NuPower Renewables, allegedly engaged in with Venugopal.

Earlier, ICICI chairman M.K. Sharma had tried hard to defend the MD-CEO, first saying that the bank’s overall exposure in Videocon Group’s gross NPAs was less than 10% and then saying the regulators had looked at the matter in 2016. “ICICI Bank was not the lead bank for this consortium and the bank only sanctioned its share of facilities aggregating approximately Rs 3,250 crore which was less than 10% of the total consortium facility in April 2012,” Sharma told reporters in Delhi last week.

But Sharma did not answer on what basis the ICICI board gave Chanda a clean chit and whether a due process was followed in the review of the case. He did not even say why the review was not disclosed to the stock exchanges. Worse, Sharma did not share the board’s replies to the Securities and Exchange Board of India, the market regulator. No wonder the charges made by the CBI have stuck.

However, the BJP-led NDA government does not want to take any chances, ostensibly because there are fears the case could snowball into a political controversy after Venugopal played the Marathi card to give his financial woes a strange twist to nudge the controversy. Venugopal, it is reliably learnt, is meeting up with senior leaders of the Shiv Sena to explain his side of the story and why he feels the Marathi Manoos is unnecessarily targeted. “We belong from a Varkari community of Maharashtra, who are devotees of Lord Vitthal. We would never enter into illegal act or any financial irregularities,” Venugopal said, arguing he came in contact with Deepak through Deepak’s brother Rajiv.

Sources in Mumbai said Venugopal was pushing the Marathi Manoos agenda through his brother, Rajkumar, a three-time Rajya Sabha Shiv Sena MP. After the exposure of the alleged conflict of interest between Dhoot-Kochhars-ICICI Bank, the Shiv Sena is yet to make any statement on the controversy.

Venugopal has maintained all along that he severed his business alliance with Deepak and his firm NuPower Technologies—it is into renewable energy business—as soon Videocon got an oil and gas rigging contract. Venugopal further said he had nothing to do with Supreme Energy, and it is not a part of Videocon.

But a senior CBI official said Supreme Energy allegedly funded Rs 64 crore to NuPower and assumed majority and Venugopal had transferred his shares to his associate Mahesh Chandra Punglia, who, in turn, transferred his entire stake in Supreme Energy to Deepak’s Pinnacle Energy for only Rs 900,000, just six months after the Videocon Group got a loan of Rs 3,250 crore from ICICI Bank.

A preliminary enquiry or PE into the case, registered last month, is reported to have named Venugopal, Deepak and unidentified others. Chanda Kochhar, who has recently been cancelling all her high-profile public appointments, could also be questioned further, the CBI official said.

Unlike other deals of ICICI, this one remains wide, wide open.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:31 am

Trilobite wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:52 pm
crams wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:19 pm
I don't like this tu tu mein mein, but don't be such whining cry babies. You guys can trash BJP all day long os fascists, Nazis, "maut ka sudagars' you name it. From day 1 that ModiJi has been in office, its nothing but abuse directed against him and BJP. So you can dish it out, but can't take it?
Agree with the tu tu main part. No doubt that political parties will take swipe at each other, that is given, but calling opposition women leaders as bitches crosses all lines of decency particularly when used by the party president himself. You can mark my word this will have serious repercussion on the outcome of UP election in 2019 if gentle folks of UP are made aware that the president of certain party addressed women leaders as "Kutti".

Modi himself has not been immune, he has dished out in equal measure or worse. I don't recall any other PM of India ever using the kind of language Modi has used over the last 4-5 years.
Really??

Do the " gentle folks of UP " include people like mulayam, mayawati, naresh agarwal and others of their loquacious ilk and their "polite, cultured, sanskari and philosophical" utterances and discourses??

If you tangle with a king cobra, It's best not to expect to escape unbitten, especially when such " gentle folks of UP " insist on going out of their way to provoke a master tactician, seasoned political campaigner and a mass leader with a following greater than all of them put together.

Wasn't it the very same PM Modi that taught sanskari "maut ka saudagar" eyetalian the lesson of her life??

Didn't he turn tables on all of them with ridiculous ease??

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Indrad » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:48 am

https://twitter.com/sush091979/status/9 ... 5361980416
how muslims are craving for dalit-muslim unity..

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Post by Sachin » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:12 am

Indrad wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:48 am
how muslims are craving for dalit-muslim unity..
Unity only till the non-Dalit Hindus have been taken care off. And then the next targets would be Dalits themselves :). The game plan of the Peacefool community is quite open.

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Post by chetak » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:37 am

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This is direct from the mouth of queen of Probity @BDUTT . For those who may have missed her brokering deals.

https://twitter.com/madhukishwar/status ... 9194324992

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by MehtaRahulC » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:44 am

(1) Reported this post to admins
Vikas wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:44 pm
^SBajwaji, Why waste time with this ilk. He will still sing the same story of RSS+BJP+Modi = source of all trouble in India
as if we can't see thru his Khangress inspired scam.
My mesaage to admins was -- " Dear admins, You had said that one would be warned for abusing. Pls warn this postor for calling me ilk."
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(2) Dalit youth killed in Bhavnagar possibly for horse riding was dalit and not rajput
sbajwa wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:30 pm
Read the news. His name was Pradeep Rathod! . Rathod's are high caste Rajputs and not Dalits.
In Gujarat, a large number of Rajput surnames are there in OBCs as well as Dalits. During wars against Islamists and British, many Gujarati kings saw the need to recruit all in army. And so many Dalits and OBCs who had joined army were given Rajput surnames. Thats why a large part of Gujarat namely Saurashtra never came under explicit direct Islamic rule though they did have to accept supremacy and pay taxes. And large part of Gujarat such as Saurashtra, Baroda etc were under British Paramountcy and paying taxes but not under direct British rule. My point is --------- you can ask anyone who has lived in Gujarat for long. Many many Rajput surnames like Solanki, Parmar, Rathod, even Thakore (which means Thakur !!) etc are in OBCs and Dalits as well. Some surnames like Jhala , Jadeja etc will be in Rajputs only as they were kings. Here the victim Pradeep Rathore is Dalit and is confirmed by several mainstream newspapers.

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(3) Dalit groom's issue in Kasgang , UP

Dear Audience
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Here is what RSS's own pet channel ZeeNews reports -- https://zeenews.india.com/gujarat/dalit ... 95144.html

Dalit man killed for riding horse in Gujarat, 3 arrestedhorse in Gujarat, 3 arrested
The deceased has been identified as Pradeep Rathod. He was killed on Thursday.

One more from RSS's ZeeNews --- http://zeenews.india.com/hindi/india/gu ... rse/385369

गुजरात : ऊंची जाति वालों को रास नहीं आई दलित की घुड़सवारी, कर दी हत्या
प्रदीप राठौर ने दो महीने पहले एक घोड़ा खरीदा था और तब से उसके गांववाले उसे धमका रहे थे. गुरुवार देर रात प्रदीप की हत्या कर दी गई.

One more from News18 ---- https://www.news18.com/news/india/dalit ... 03881.html

Dalit Man Killed in Gujarat's Bhavnagar for Riding a Horse; Accused Arrested
A 21-year-old Dalit youth was allegedly hacked to death by upper caste men on Thursday evening for riding a horse in Bhavnagar district of Gujarat.
Now in general, IPS are ordered to cover up crimes so that statistics is low. So mostly, IPS across India simply refuse to take complain at police station !!! But an IPS can literally lose his job and face serious charge if he doesnt take down complain of murder. The British made very strict laws to ensure that murders are taken seriously, and still same old laws go on. And so IPS have to take down a murder complain. But Dalit atrocity acts are serious crimes, and there is a pressure on IPS to keep the number low. And so IPS always work to cook up additional stories and mediamen are paid to circulate these stories for political reasons. (eg in this case, script being cooked is that Dalit youth was teasing Rajput women. So rajput killed him for teasing women, not horse riding !!) to create a scene that crime was not hate crime. Solution I propose is Jury Trial and narcotest in public to uncover the truth.
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Now in death of this Dalit youth, I blame casteism and NOT RSS per se. But consider the fact where Dalit groom in Kasganj UP is asked by corrupt/nexused High Court judges and IPS to change baraat route so that baraat doesnt passthru Rajput area !! IPS on such matters always take decisions based on oral orders from CM. And HCjs too hobnob with CMs, since 1950s. So imo the Kasganj case shows the ideology of RSS-workers. But see how RSS-rakshaks here squirm to cover it up and give clean chit to Yogiji even on this Kasganj, Dalit groom issue !!
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(4) Salman Khan gets bails --- how much bribes did RSS Ministers and RSS workers earn?

Salman Khan gets bail. In Congress days, I used to say the FACT that for every bribe public prosecutors earn, they give 35% to apex Ministers and keep rest. And effective 1-jan-2013, facts changed --- for every bribe public prosecutors earn, they had to give 50% to Ministers because Ministers have to give 15% to grass root party workers. Before 1-jan-2013, party workers didnt get much share in bribes. But SM has given means for party workers to create winnable election alternative and so Ministers have to now give send bribes to ALL workers. These were the facts in congress days. and same are facts today. Except that word congress is now replaced by RSS because Rajasthan is ruled by RSS leaders and RSS workers. And % of bribes workers get is now 35% because SM is now more powerful. So 35% of bribes that public prosecutors got went to Rajasthan RSS-Ministers and 35% went to Rajsthan RSS-workers and public prosecutors kept the rest 35%. And judges/IPS get their own bribes which is separate.

One need to investigate why judges delayed bailed giving for about 24 hours !!! Such delay will reduce faith people have in money. Honorable Justice Deepak Mishra should look into it and work to reduce delays.

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(5) Sun rising from west or what?
Sachin wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:30 am
..... The ideal solution would be to have good, well drafted laws which protects every individual's dignity and honour (irrespective of gender & caste/religion etc.), and good and fast execution of such legal provisions.
RSS-rakshak says law-drafts will be needed to reduce the mess? Sun rising from west or what?

Well, thanks for acknowleding importance of "law-drafts" and not mention Modiji-Amitji-Dovalji as solution to all problems. Now can you ask local and non-local RSS-workers to provide good law-drafts that give "good and fast execution" which I call as "improve courts" ? And does "good and fast execution" need fixing courts iyo or can "good and fast execution" be attained without improving courts? And if courts need to be improving, what law-drafts do YOU propose to improve courts? Or can that be done thru political will alone and no law-drafts are needed?
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And can you pls inform audience what stopped Modiji and over 260 RSS LS MPs, over 60 RSS RS MPs and over 40 lakh RSS-workers from printing those "well drafted laws" in past 3.5 years? Is 3.5 years not enough to print these draft? Or too busy with monkey-baat and fancy dress competitions?
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(6) How congress/rss/aap always wasted time

Dear Audience,
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Since 1951, Congress/RSS/aap-workers have held an ideology that problems of India do NOT need law-drafts but need sometime thing else!! RSS said that we need improvement in moral character, improvement in national character and good leaders, and that shakshas will improve national character, improve moral character and churn fantastic leaders. And om BRF, RSS-workers since year 2000 have phoo-phooed whole concepts of law-drafts and insisted that ABV/LKA/Modiji are sufficient to solve ALL problems of India, and no one should waste time in campaigning for law-drafts and if law-drafts are needed, the Modiji will print them. So commons and activists, as per RSS-workers on BRF, must focus only on increasing vote-count for RSS and NOT bother about law-draft's clauses.

And I arrived on BRF in march-2000 and since then I have been writing about need to fix courts.

After 6 years of ABV and 3.5 years of Modiji, and several decades of RSS-rule in state govt , they now say that "well drafted laws" are needed. Now lets see whom do they blame for the fact that RSS-workers didnt print these law-drafts in 10 years of their rule in center and decades of rule in States.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:42 pm

Rahul Mehta what evidence do you have that RSS is getting a cut & securing bail & release of accused?
For sure a self respecting person like you will furnish an evidence. Else admins should taken action on you.
Looks like members like us should go on inactive/lurking mode.
(4) Salman Khan gets bails --- how much bribes did RSS Ministers and RSS workers earn?

Salman Khan gets bail. In Congress days, I used to say the FACT that for every bribe public prosecutors earn, they give 35% to apex Ministers and keep rest. And effective 1-jan-2013, facts changed --- for every bribe public prosecutors earn, they had to give 50% to Ministers because Ministers have to give 15% to grass root party workers. Before 1-jan-2013, party workers didnt get much share in bribes. But SM has given means for party workers to create winnable election alternative and so Ministers have to now give send bribes to ALL workers. These were the facts in congress days. and same are facts today. Except that word congress is now replaced by RSS because Rajasthan is ruled by RSS leaders and RSS workers. And % of bribes workers get is now 35% because SM is now more powerful. So 35% of bribes that public prosecutors got went to Rajasthan RSS-Ministers and 35% went to Rajsthan RSS-workers and public prosecutors kept the rest 35%. And judges/IPS get their own bribes which is separate.

One need to investigate why judges delayed bailed giving for about 24 hours !!! Such delay will reduce faith people have in money. Honorable Justice Deepak Mishra should look into it and work to reduce delays.

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Post by KL Dubey » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:53 pm

NaMo's hard-hitting replies to critics and rabble-rousers during his short speech and long telephone interactions with party karyakartas. It's a "must watch".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiLhFIefOvY

I entirely agree with his quote of Chanakya that "the only thing worse than the acts of bad hombres is the inaction of good hombres". Among many interesting things, he tells karyakartas to download the NaMo app and use it as a tool to fight the spread of fake news and lies with factual information.

BTW, I have been saying the same thing on BRF and BGR for a while.

The man is looking totally relaxed and "fresh" - I don't know how he does it, yoga et al. I think he is going to have a kick-azz campaign and energize the cadre in KA in the coming weeks.

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Post by KL Dubey » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:58 pm

It is too bad that BGR is lately tied up with responding to Rahul Mehta and Trilobite (Dipanker ?)**

** BTW, the "ignore" function is useless because it only works when you are signed in. On BRF I have Dipanker on ignore, but he has come up with the idea of reading my posts without logging in, then doing a cut and paste of my post, and then proceeding to reply after logging in. The desperation of some folks....

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Post by Supratik » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:15 pm

I have started reading on the new "autonomy" given to many academic institutions by Javadekar. Details are still awaited but it seems like it is a body blow to the CCCP (Communist Cadre Creation Program). Basically two things will happen. One courses that are not job creating will be overshadowed by courses that can lead to jobs. Second, there will be more self-financing courses. So no more 5-10 years of Masters where the prime agenda is to work for the party on campus as you are expected to get out quickly, find a job and repay your loans. Meritorious students can avail scholarships. So this will lead to lesser Kanhaiya Kumar's and Shehla Rashid's on campus. Now the "agitations" at JNU and other places make sense. This is a more permanent solution than tinkering with each institute as once it goes into that mode it will be difficult to go back. This is in line with what many of us on BRF had proposed 20 years back. Chandragupta, hope that answers your question.

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Post by srikumar » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:17 pm

KL Dubey wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:53 pm
NaMo's hard-hitting replies to critics and rabble-rousers during his short speech and long telephone interactions with party karyakartas. It's a "must watch".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiLhFIefOvY

I entirely agree with his quote of Chanakya that "the only thing worse than the acts of bad hombres is the inaction of good hombres". Among many interesting things, he tells karyakartas to download the NaMo app and use it as a tool to fight the spread of fake news and lies with factual information.

BTW, I have been saying the same thing on BRF and BGR for a while.
Yo yo yo ma homie. Ah see'd the video.

He says that having the aadhar card has saved the govt 80,000 crores rupees in fraudulent charges/claims. THis is really major, and must be a per year figure. Modi does seem to be his most comfortable and in his element when talking with karyakartas. He was able to talk street-level details telling the Karyakartas what to do (in terms of actual tasks)....this is quite something, considering that he's been a top-level office holder i.e. mukhya mantri/pradhan mantri since the last 17 years and has not done mohalla-level work since then.

He also stressed the importance of taking the 'space' (his word) from people who spread lies, by filling it up with truths and comments about govt. programs (much like the Modi achievements thread we have here). He sees social media a battlefield as much as the ballot box is. And good to see him looking fresh and strong.

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Post by crams » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Guys, any reliable opinion polls in Karnataka? ModJi has made some visits to Karnataka, but when will the Mitron bomb strike? :-). I am sure it will but when? Like in Guajarat, his last 2-3 weeks of blitzkreig did the trick, however narrowly, my gut feel is BJP will squeak through narrowly in Karnataka too. The Lingayat divide engineered by Pappu and his slaves has definitely dented BJP prospects a tad. But then again, if the Lingayatas themselves fell prey, it tells you something about Hindu unity does it now?

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Post by JohnTitor » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:46 pm

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/lingay ... 668887.cms

Hindus, and Indians in general, willing to sell their mothers for short term benefits.

And people wonder why India is a third world country. That’ll never change.

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Post by Aditya_V » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:42 am

Indrad wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:48 am
https://twitter.com/sush091979/status/9 ... 5361980416
how muslims are craving for dalit-muslim unity..
This is not new, it has been going on for 200 years, See the Minority Muslim League- INC- Cpi(m) and Jogendra Nath Madndal and what happened to Sc/ST community in East Bengal. As a Bengali and all Bengalis should be aware how each of the parties played a part in Mascaraing Sc/ST's while trying to protect them.

In fact Jogendra Nath Mandal and his campaign not to get in India Hindu Muslim fight in 1946 as it only involves Upper castes vS gentle Muslims and then abondoning them fleeing to India. While Mandal- ICN and Cpi(M) refused to settle East Bengal Sc/ST's within WB as it would break their Myths should be included in all History books

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Post by Chandragupta » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:15 am

Posting in full from FB -

https://www.facebook.com/ashish.dhar.de ... 9935036433

I just heard an audio-clip of a phone conversation in Kashmiri between a terrorist holed up in a house surrounded by the security forces and his father. Given that it reached me on whatsapp, I suppose that it would've gone viral in the valley.

The conversation is inspiring is an understatement. It gives you goosebumps. Here is a son waiting on death, calling his father who tells him to keep the faith and die with his head held high. "I cannot ask you to surrender". This is a hero dying for the freedom of his people, no doubt about that. The father's voice is reassuring, wise, compassionate and proud. He asks the women screaming in the background to keep calm. It's a spectacular display of glorious manliness. It's the voice of a supremely competent air-traffic controller speaking to the pilot as the plane is spiralling out of control. The terrorist son and his friends are all sentimental and for good reason. It's probably their last conversation on earth.

If I were their co-religionist, I would start preparing my son to join the "freedom struggle". It wouldn't matter if you laughed at my beliefs or made fun of my worldview. My conviction would make a mockery of your helpless rationality. Borrowing Castaneda's words, "to reduce the magnificence of existence to manageable nonsense would be petty and outright disastrous". That's the power of their narrative.

Your narrative is weak. You don't celebrate your heroes. You deliver judgements. You quote the constitution. You align with political parties. You campaign. You vote.

It is not that you don't have a powerful narrative of your own. You have more narratives than your head has space for. But you have no time because you are busy being reasonable. Forget about the hyper-realities of the itihasas and puranas, you don't even have the time to feel sorry for the poor guy who dies in the same valley fighting for your civilization. Oh but wasn't India born on August 15, 1947?

Triple talaq won't divide them. Uniform Civil Code will not emancipate them. The laptop in one hand is dirt compared to that book in the other whose every word is gold. They're not devious as some of you claim. They are simply asking you to man up and fight. But you are debating if "manning up" is offensive to your girlfriend. Take your time. You have plenty of it for being reasonable.

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Post by Aditya_V » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:56 am

So basically the lack of force especially on Pakistan which is keeping the problem going, getting parts of POK and dividing Pakistan is very important to keep Kashmir. All the peace process from our side is seen as weakness. For that we need to Build our MIC along with a strong miltary. Why cant these speeches be telivised to the entire Indian audience.

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Post by Sachin » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:56 am

Mean while @ Bangalore..
Illegal migrants preferred over salaried class in poll rolls
Small groups of migrant workers have paid a nominal fee to their caretakers, who got them their IDs without breaking a sweat. Caretakers have leveraged their influence with local leaders, who had asked election officials at the BBMP to issue the IDs quickly, say some leaders.
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By contrast, thousands of salaried professionals living in the city for years together were left in shock to find their application to obtain the voter identity rejected. Many of nearly 15,000 of them in Mahadevapura constituency, who applied online recently, learnt of the rejection without a reason.
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He said educated voters are left out in the fear that they would vote for a certain party, while local leaders prefer migrant labourers to be on the rolls in the name of safeguarding the minorities and upholding secularism.

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Note the bolded part. It is pretty much obvious that it is illegal Bangladeshi Muslim migrants who have been given ID cards and encouraged to vote. Since the "seculars" may even resort to pimping and prostitution of their own women folks, if that can get some minority votes; such moves are expected. From this report it is obvious; educated people (mainly from North India) may vote for the BJP, illegal Muslim immigrants would vote for the "secular" Indian National (!?) Congress.
Supratik wrote:So no more 5-10 years of Masters where the prime agenda is to work for the party on campus as you are expected to get out quickly, find a job and repay your loans. Meritorious students can avail scholarships. So this will lead to lesser Kanhaiya Kumar's and Shehla Rashid's on campus. Now the "agitations" at JNU and other places make sense. This is a more permanent solution than tinkering with each institute as once it goes into that mode it will be difficult to go back.
Taking my own life as an example, I can say that "making each individual responsible for his own survival" would make ideologies like Indian version of communism land up in the dust bins. Stop the culture of "freeloading" at every aspect of life, people will not have time to waste and preach about communism & Utopia. It is the current "Arts & Science" colleges which are the breeding ground of the commies. Any body who wants to get into a good job generally now avoids such colleges (because of the courses they offer). What needs to be done is to make all courses time bound, and research etc. should have some valid sponsors. How many of JNU Ph.Ds have been useful to solve any of the country problems?

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Post by Indrad » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:25 am

Apparently Yogi is on notice now. He was asked by namo why all is not well in UP.
Shah is visiting LKO to meet karyakartas & ground level workers. A SP BSP comeback coupled with Dalit MP letters to PM has caused the stir.

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Post by Vikas » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:35 am

Like award-wapasi scam, This Dalit narrative right before KA and later RJ,MP,CG polls smack of conspiracy at a very high level and is being executed smartly. Full points to the team which is running this campaign. Obviously morons from Looteyns can't be responsible for it. Suddenly media is filled with stories of cruelty towards SC/ST, BJP MP's in revolt and targeting of Yogi Ji. I like the way though Modi Ji keeps his calm when everyone starts losing his head.

My fear is that KA may turn out to be a flop show for BJP like Bihar.

PS: What is so offensive about the word 'Ilk' ?

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Post by Trilobite » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:26 pm

Not A Single Arrest After Deaths Of 6 Dalits In Bharat Bandh Violence
In almost every case, the accused are upper caste men. So far, the police have not made a single arrest in the cases of deaths of six Dalits.

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Post by chetak » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:48 pm

Indrad wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:25 am
Apparently Yogi is on notice now. He was asked by namo why all is not well in UP.
Shah is visiting LKO to meet karyakartas & ground level workers. A SP BSP comeback coupled with Dalit MP letters to PM has caused the stir.
methinks that there is some dirty game afoot.

The BJP is quite capable of entering the hara kiri mode all by itself.


First the by elections, and now..................

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