The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:26 pm

Trilobite wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:26 pm
Not A Single Arrest After Deaths Of 6 Dalits In Bharat Bandh Violence
In almost every case, the accused are upper caste men. So far, the police have not made a single arrest in the cases of deaths of six Dalits.
An NDTV investigation has found that a significant number of Dalits killed in clashes that day may have been victims of upper caste retaliation.
NDTV is not really a source that should be trusted especially when it is NDTV's investigation. They have been peddlers of fake and anti-BJP news in the past, so I will take it with a pinch of salt.

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Post by Trilobite » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:01 pm

After girl alleged BJP MLA raped her, father dies in custody, MLA’s men held
While the family members of the girl are accusing the MLA of orchestrating what they are calling to be a “murder”, no FIR has been registered against the MLA so far as the police is yet waiting for the postmortem report of the father.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Trilobite » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:08 pm

Now a counter Bharat bandh by those opposed to caste based reservation. This is likely to antagonize the SC/ST and the OBC's who benefit from reservation. Either way this is bad news for ruling party.

Bharat Bandh on April 10: Centre issues advisory to states, UTs to beef up security
While the April 2 Bharat Bandh was called by groups opposing the alleged dilution of SC/ST (prevention of of atrocities) Act by a Supreme Court order, tomorrows protest is being reportedly called by people opposed to caste-based reservations in jobs and education.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:25 pm

Vikas wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:26 pm
NDTV is not really a source that should be trusted especially when it is NDTV's investigation. They have been peddlers of fake and anti-BJP news in the past, so I will take it with a pinch of salt.
Vikas-ji,

Source is NDTV = Pinch of Salt
Post is from a certain member who mostly quotes NDTV = Pinch of Salt x Total # of Pinches of Salt in the oceans.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:27 pm

Nothing new here. We already know who is behind making different caste groups fight each other.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:31 pm

SSundar wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:25 pm
Vikas wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:26 pm
NDTV is not really a source that should be trusted especially when it is NDTV's investigation. They have been peddlers of fake and anti-BJP news in the past, so I will take it with a pinch of salt.
Vikas-ji,

Source is NDTV = Pinch of Salt
Post is from a certain member who mostly quotes NDTV = Pinch of Salt x Total # of Pinches of Salt in the oceans.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:41 pm

UnDy's chief lieutenants: Srinivasan Jain, Sunetra Chowdhary, Sara Jacobs, and Omar Abdullah's keep; are on a relentless Jihad against ModiJi and BJP. They are milking the living crap out of the manufactured Dalit protests, blurring the line between a few unfortunate incidents and BJP. They need to be described for what they are: hired guns of Pappu and his slaves.

Be it Bengal or Rajasthan, the scum bags are quick to unearth the faintest of faintest links between the perpetrators of hate crimes and BJP, but complete silence on Pappu's slaves and BSP fomenting discontent among Dalits to go after BJP.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Trilobite » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:46 pm

Dalit anger is genuine, nothing manufactured about it. It's been building up slowly over a period of time due to a series of incidences and it boiled over after the recent SC verdict. BJP's own Dalit MP's have said so repeatedly in TV appearances and print media.

Calling it a manufactured outrage will only lead to further aggravation to Dalit community, and now the proposed anti reservation Bharat Bandh on 10th April will make it worse, it will also be seen by them as a upper casteist move.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:42 pm

The Paragons of "Truth" tell us that Dalit Outrage is REAL!!! We must believe it or rot in hell.

However, this other piddly little thing is not real. Please ignore it.

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Post by shynee » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:37 pm

Dr Praveen Patil

@5Forty3
8h8 hours ago
More Dr Praveen Patil Retweeted Dr Praveen Patil
Despite all the Bharat Bandhs, hyper media narrative building, creating and nurturing societal fissures, data still suggests Dalit movement towards BJP hasn't ebbed! This 2 year old observation holds true even today!!Dr Praveen Patil added,
Dr Praveen Patil

@5Forty3
Saffronization of Dalits is the scariest nightmare of the Liberal mafia, for it reduces the "Secularism" facade to mere Islam pandering tool

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:33 pm

Trilobite wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:46 pm
Dalit anger is genuine, nothing manufactured about it. It's been building up slowly over a period of time due to a series of incidences and it boiled over after the recent SC verdict. BJP's own Dalit MP's have said so repeatedly in TV appearances and print media.
No doubt about it. But laying it all at the door step of BJP who have been power since 2014 is mischievous sophistry and political opportunism. Similar to blaming BJP for the Kashmir valley Muslim recalcitrance and Paki perfidy. It is actually seditious that opposition is using these 3 facets to break Hindu unity and even Indian unity in a bid to gain power.


Calling it a manufactured outrage will only lead to further aggravation to Dalit community, and now the proposed anti reservation Bharat Bandh on 10th April will make it worse, it will also be seen by them as a upper casteist move.
As I mention above, the grievances of Dalits are indeed genuine. But the violent protests day in and day out are outright manufactured. Today, even that Congoon mouthpiece Srinivas Jain on UndY himself showed stats that on many indicators such as violence against Dalits and OBC/STs, it was actually higher under Sonia and her slaves, and moreover, on many counts BJP does better. This is not to indulge in any bean counting, or be condescending to Dalits and OBCs, but the fact is that the opposition traitors led by Congoons sense that the only way to stop the BJP Juggernaut is to exacerbate an already fragile caste divide, and boy, are they playing with fire.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:41 pm

Trilobite wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:08 pm
Now a counter Bharat bandh by those opposed to caste based reservation. This is likely to antagonize the SC/ST and the OBC's who benefit from reservation. Either way this is bad news for ruling party.
I think its a gambit worth taking. There has to be a strategic counter to opposition thugbandhan's tactics. If the rally is huge and passes off without violence, at the very least, it will dent thugbandhan's strategy of playing with the caste divide. If however, its a flop show, opposition thugbandhans will cite that to further embarrass BJP saying its anti-Dalit moves have failed.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by crams » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:44 pm

Guys, I am waiting for one articulate BJP spokesman to come out and declare that if Congoons are so egalitarian and honest about Dalit empowerment, why don't they ask silver-spoon fed, Italian pie eating, mama's boy Pappu to step down and have a Dalit as the Congoon leader.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by SSundar » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:04 am

crams wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:44 pm
Guys, I am waiting for one articulate BJP spokesman to come out and declare that if Congoons are so egalitarian and honest about Dalit empowerment, why don't they ask silver-spoon fed, Italian pie eating, mama's boy Pappu to step down and have a Dalit as the Congoon leader.
Why? He is already a Dalit by virtue of having eaten a roti at a Dalit home. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by MehtaRahulC » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:13 am

One of the most important reason Lingayat's demand for non-Hindu grew was voracious apetite of SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap-workers to loot Hindu temples and also Hindu-owned private schools using RTE, and spare non-Hindus at the same time.
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Statements of SoMoKe and CoRaAp-workers are "are you Hindu? well, then we will loot your temples using plethora of temple related laws/judgments, and we will also loot your private schools using RTE". And congress/aap/SoGa/ArKe had offered a loophole "if you get label of non-Hindu, then we will NOT loot your temples and schools".
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Modiji and RSS-workers before may-2014 used to say that we will stop govt loot over temples and stop RTE loot. Which is why Lingayat voted en-masse for RSS in may-2014. But now all know the FACT that Modiji/RSS are same as SoGa/congress on THESE two issues. And so Lingayat had two choices --- fix laws or ask for non-Hindu label. Sadly , they chose second option.
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But it is important to note that what pushed Lingayat was SoMoKe's decision and congress/rss/aap workers' decision NOT to fix temple laws and scrap RTE.
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"Lingayat are not Hindu" view as such is centuaries old. But till 2011, this view was confined to Lingayat hardliners and NOT much in Lingayat middle class or masses. Middle class and masses downplayed it as academic and theoritical. But as govt control over temples and schools increased, they too started looking for way out. At first, they ONLY wanted govt control over temples and schools to reduce. But SoMoKe and CoRaAp-workers made it clear that "we will loot Hindu temples, we will loot non-Minority schools". And so Lingayat middle class and masses also started demanding non-Hindu label
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So my point is --- true nationalists, true seculars and hinduvaadies should see that SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers DO NOT want to Hindus and Hinduism to strengthen !! So nationalists etc should dump SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers for good and start woking to to create true nationalist true secular political electoral altenative to SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers. Otherwise, due to varoacious apetitite of congress/rss/aap workers to loot Hindu temples and non-Minority schools via RTE, more and more sects may start asking for non-Hindu label.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:57 am

Trilobite wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:46 pm
Dalit anger is genuine, nothing manufactured about it. It's been building up slowly over a period of time due to a series of incidences and it boiled over after the recent SC verdict. BJP's own Dalit MP's have said so repeatedly in TV appearances and print media.

Calling it a manufactured outrage will only lead to further aggravation to Dalit community, and now the proposed anti reservation Bharat Bandh on 10th April will make it worse, it will also be seen by them as a upper casteist move.
Why is Bharat-Bandh in favor of 'No Reservation' a bad move ?
As far aggravation to Dalit community, it has been around for quite sometime and will be around for couple of more generations before it levels out.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:02 am

Trilobite wrote:Calling it a manufactured outrage will only lead to further aggravation to Dalit community, and now the proposed anti reservation Bharat Bandh on 10th April will make it worse, it will also be seen by them as a upper casteist move.
There was another major Harthal in Kerala called by Dalit organisations for an issue which happened in North India (police firing etc.). One thing, most of the people in the state have not even heard about these pro-Dalit organisations earlier. The communist state government also gave some leeway to the rioters/protestors, even though the issues for which the protest was had no connection with Kerala at all. The anchors of this protest were some Naxal cadres with backing of certain Islamic outfits. It is pretty obvious that extreme leftists (Naxals et.al) and extreme Islamists are now joining up in the name of Dalits and work towards destructing the country. In Kerala it was more evident, because none of these organisations did any protest when a Dalit youth commited suicide after getting bashed up by the police, or when a tribal was beaten to death.
crams wrote:As I mention above, the grievances of Dalits are indeed genuine. But the violent protests day in and day out are outright manufactured.
Exactly. In fact in Social media I saw multiple posts which clearly showed one Muslim chap who joins every protest; in "secular" rallies as a Muslim, and in pro-Dalit rallies as a Dalit (with a Hindu name). I feel many of us now have got the big picture on what Congress and other "seculars" plan to do. That is to cause 100s of L&O problems in every part of the country, deliberately start seccessionist movements. It is now obvious that Indian National Congress only wants India to remain its current form, if the Nehru-Ghandi family is allowed to rule it (just like how Queen of England rules UK). Credit must be given to them for completely understanding the Indian society and identifying and exploiting fault line (Nehru's mentors like Mountbatten can smile with pride; they have served their country well).
SSundar wrote:He is already a Dalit by virtue of having eaten a roti at a Dalit home.
Don't forget the Janyu-dhari Brahmana part as well. I mean Rahul Ghandi perhaps would be the most (outwardly) "secular" person in the country today. Beleived to be a Roman Catholic, but also is a Janyu-dhari Brahmana who also prefers eating at the homes of the poor.
MethaRahulC wrote:o nationalists etc should dump SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers for good and start woking to to create true nationalist true secular political electoral altenative to SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers.
Do you have any suggestions to the voters in India, as to who will fit the bill? ;).


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:02 am

The manipulations of elections in India is a farfetched CT and we should all go back to our peaceful slumbers.

It is impossible for such things to happen in India, no??

The deep and abiding interest of intelligence agencies in regime change manipulations using weaponized data as a tool just cannot happen in our democracy.

We should be looking at the aap in dilli.

How a dishonest no hoper was picked out of the gutter and installed as the head of the state govt and that too in the capital of India. Had the GoI backed off from its responsibilities and allowed the dilli govt to run riot as they wanted, imagine what would have been the resulting anarchy in the capital city of India.


The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops

The New Military-Industrial Complex of Big Data Psy-Ops

Tamsin Shaw

March 21, 2018,


Apparently, the age of the old-fashioned spook is in decline. What is emerging instead is an obscure world of mysterious boutique companies specializing in data analysis and online influence that contract with government agencies. As they say about hedge funds, if the general public has heard their names that’s probably not a good sign. But there is now one data analysis company that anyone who pays attention to the US and UK press has heard of: Cambridge Analytica. Representatives have boasted that their list of past and current clients includes the British Ministry of Defense, the US Department of Defense, the US Department of State, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and NATO. Nevertheless, they became recognized for just one influence campaign: the one that helped Donald Trump get elected president of the United States. The kind of help the company offered has since been the subject of much unwelcome legal and journalistic scrutiny.

Carole Cadwalladr’s recent exposé of the inner workings of Cambridge Analytica shows that the company, along with its partner, SCL Group, should rightly be as a cautionary tale about the part private companies play in developing and deploying government-funded behavioral technologies. Her source, former employee Christopher Wylie, has described the development of influence techniques for psychological warfare by SCL Defense, the refinement of similar techniques by SCL Elections through its use across the developing world (for example, a “rumor campaign” deployed to spread fear during the 2007 election in Nigeria), and the purchase of this cyber-arsenal by Robert Mercer, the American billionaire who funded Cambridge Analytica, and who, with the help of Wylie, Trump campaign manager Steve Bannon, and the company’s chief executive Alexander Nix, deployed it on the American electorate in 2016.

But the revelations should also prompt us to ask deeper questions about the kind of behavioral science research that enables both governments and private companies to assume these powers. Two young psychologists are central to the Cambridge Analytica story. One is Michal Kosinski, who devised an app with a Cambridge University colleague, David Stillwell, that measures personality traits by analyzing Facebook “likes.” It was then used in collaboration with the World Well-Being Project, a group at the University of Pennsylvania’s Positive Psychology Center that specializes in the use of big data to measure health and happiness in order to improve well-being. The other is Aleksandr Kogan, who also works in the field of positive psychology and has written papers on happiness, kindness, and love (according to his résumé, an early paper was called “Down the Rabbit Hole: A Unified Theory of Love”). He ran the Prosociality and Well-being Laboratory, under the auspices of Cambridge University’s Well-Being Institute.

Despite its prominence in research on well-being, Kosinski’s work, Cadwalladr points out, drew a great deal of interest from British and American intelligence agencies and defense contractors, including overtures from the private company running an intelligence project nicknamed “Operation KitKat” because a correlation had been found between anti-Israeli sentiments and liking Nikes and KitKats. Several of Kosinski’s co-authored papers list the US government’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, as a funding source. His résumé boasts of meetings with senior figures at two of the world’s largest defense contractors, Boeing and Microsoft, both companies that have sponsored his research. He ran a workshop on digital footprints and psychological assessment for the Singaporean Ministry of Defense.

For his part, Aleksandr Kogan established a company, Global Science Research, that contracted with SCL, using Facebook data to map personality traits for its work in elections (Kosinski claims that Kogan essentially reverse-engineered the app that he and Stillwell had developed). Kogan’s app harvested data on Facebook users who agreed to take a personality test for the purposes of academic research (though it was, in fact, to be used by SCL for non-academic ends). But according to Wylie, the app also collected data on their entire—and nonconsenting—network of friends. Once Cambridge Analytica and SCL had won contracts with the State Department and were pitching to the Pentagon, Wylie became alarmed that this illegally-obtained data had ended up at the heart of government, along with the contractors who might abuse it.

This apparently bizarre intersection of research on topics like love and kindness with defense and intelligence interests is not, in fact, particularly unusual. It is typical of the kind of dual-use research that has shaped the field of social psychology in the US since World War II. Much of the classic, foundational research on personality, conformity, obedience, group polarization, and other such determinants of social dynamics—while ostensibly civilian—was funded during the cold war by the military and the CIA. The cold war was an ideological battle, so, naturally, research on techniques for controlling belief was considered a national security priority. This psychological research laid the groundwork for propaganda wars and for experiments in individual “mind control.” The pioneering figures from this era—for example, Gordon Allport on personality and Solomon Asch on belief conformity—are still cited in NATO psy-ops literature to this day.

The recent revival of this cold war approach has taken place in the setting of the war on terror, which began in 1998 with Bill Clinton’s Presidential Decision Directive 62, making terrorism America’s national security priority. Martin Seligman, the psychologist who has bridged the military and civilian worlds more successfully than any other with his work on helplessness and resilience, was at the forefront of the new dual-use initiative. His research began as a part of a cold war program of electroshock experiments in the 1960s. He subjected dogs to electric shocks, rendering them passive to the point that they no longer even tried to avoid the pain, a state he called “learned helplessness.” This concept then became the basis of a theory of depression, along with associated ideas about how to foster psychological resilience.

In 1998, Seligman founded the positive psychology movement, dedicated to the study of psychological traits and habits that foster authentic happiness and well-being, spawning an enormous industry of popular self-help books. At the same time, his work attracted interest and funding from the military as a central part of its soldier-resilience initiative. Seligman had previously worked with the CIA and even before September 11, 2001, his new movement was in tune with America’s shifting national security priorities, hosting in its inaugural year a conference in Northern Ireland on “ethno-political conflict.”

But it was after the September 11 attacks that terrorism became Seligman’s absolute priority. In 2003, he said that the war with jihadis must take precedence over all other academic research, saying of his colleagues: “If we lose the war, the laudable, but pet projects they endorse, will not be issues… If we win this war, we can go on to pursue the normal goals of science.” Money poured into the discipline for these purposes. The Department of Homeland Security established Centers of Excellence in universities for interdisciplinary research into the social and psychological roots of terrorism. Elsewhere, scholars worked more obliquely on relevant behavioral technologies.

Some of the psychological projects cultivated under the banner of the war on terror will be familiar to many readers. Psychologists such as Jonathan Haidt and Steven Pinker, and their colleagues in other disciplines (most prominently, the Harvard Law professor Cass Sunstein) rehabilitated the cold war research on “group polarization” as a way of understanding not, this time, the radicalism that feeds “totalitarianism,” but the equally amorphous notion of “extremism.” They sought to combat extremism domestically by promoting “viewpoint diversity” both on campus (through organizations such as the Heterodox Academy, run by Haidt and funded by libertarian billionaire Paul Singer) and online, suggesting ways in which websites might employ techniques from social psychology to combat phenomena such as “confirmation bias.” Their notion of “appropriate heterogeneity” (Sunstein) in moral and political views remains controversial.

Seligman himself saw the potential for using the Internet to bring his research on personality together with new ways of gathering data. This project began shortly after the September 11 attacks, with a paper on “Character Strengths Before and After September 11,” which focused on variations in traits such as trust, love, teamwork, and leadership. It ultimately evolved into the innovative World Well-Being Project at Penn. Seligman also fostered links with Cambridge University, where he is on the board of the Well-Being Institute that employs the same kind of psychometric techniques. The aim of these programs is not simply to analyze our subjective states of mind but to discover means by which we can be “nudged” in the direction of our true well-being as positive psychologists understand it, which includes attributes like resilience and optimism. Seligman’s projects are almost all funded by the Templeton Foundation and may have been employed for entirely civilian purposes. But in bringing together the personality research and the behavioral technologies that social psychologists had for decades been refining with the new tool of big data (via the astonishing resources provided by social media), it has created an important template for what is now the cutting-edge work of America’s intelligence community.


In 2008, then Secretary of Defense Robert Gates commissioned the Minerva Initiative, funded by the DoD, which brought researchers in the social sciences together to study culture and terrorism, and specifically supported initiatives involving the analysis of social media. One of the Cornell scientists involved also participated in the famous and controversial Facebook study of emotional contagion. Less well known is the Open Source Indicators program at the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity, or IARPA (a body under the Director of National Intelligence), which has aimed to analyze social media in order to predict social unrest and political crises.

In a 2014 interview, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, speaking then as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said that such open-source data initiatives, and in particular the study of social media such as Facebook, had entirely transformed intelligence-gathering. He reported that traditional signals intelligence and human intelligence were increasingly being replaced by this open-source work and that the way in which intelligence agents are trained had been modified to accommodate the shift. A growing portion of the military’s $50 billion budget would be spent on this data analytics work, he claimed, creating a “gold rush” for contractors. A few weeks after this interview, Flynn left the DIA to establish the Flynn Intel Group Inc. He later acted as a consultant to the SCL Group.

Carole Cadwalladr reported in The Observer last year that it was Sophie Schmidt, daughter of Alphabet founder Eric Schmidt, who made SCL aware of this gold rush, telling Alexander Nix, then head of SCL Elections, that the company should emulate Palantir, the company set up by Peter Thiel and funded with CIA venture capital that has now won important national security contracts. Schmidt threatened to sue Cadwalladr for reporting this information. But Nix recently admitted before a parliamentary select committee in London that Schmidt had interned for Cambridge Analytica, though he denied that she had introduced him to Peter Thiel. Aleksandr Kogan and Christopher Wylie allowed Cambridge Analytica to evolve into an extremely competitive operator in this arena.


It was by no means inevitable that dual-use research at the intersection of psychology and data science would be employed along with illegally-obtained caches of data to manipulate elections. But dual-use research in psychology does seem to present a specific set of dangers. Many areas of scientific research have benefited from dual-use initiatives. The National Cancer Institute began its life in the early 1970s as part of a coordinated program examining the effects of tumor agents developed as bio-weapons at Fort Detrick. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, similarly, researched the effects of militarily manufactured hazardous viruses. This was the foundation of a biotechnology industry that has become a paradigm case of dual use and has led, in spite of its more sinister side, to invaluable medical breakthroughs. But the development of behavioral technologies intended for military-grade persuasion in cyber-operations is rooted in a specific perspective on human beings, one that is at odds with the way they should be viewed in democratic societies.

I’ve written previously about the way in which a great deal of contemporary behavioral science aims to exploit our irrationalities rather than overcome them. A science that is oriented toward the development of behavioral technologies is bound to view us narrowly as manipulable subjects rather than rational agents. If these technologies are becoming the core of America’s military and intelligence cyber-operations, it looks as though we will have to work harder to keep these trends from affecting the everyday life of our democratic society. That will mean paying closer attention to the military and civilian boundaries being crossed by the private companies that undertake such cyber-operations.

In the academic world, it should entail a refusal to apply the perspective of propaganda research more generally to social problems. From social media we should demand, at a minimum, much greater protection of our data. Over time, we might also see a lower tolerance for platforms whose business model relies on the collection and commercial exploitation of that data. As for politics, rather than elected officials’ perfecting technologies that give them access to personal information about the electorate, their focus should be on informing voters about their policies and actions, and making themselves accountable.


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:43 am

MehtaRahulC wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:13 am
One of the most important reason Lingayat's demand for non-Hindu grew was voracious apetite of SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap-workers to loot Hindu temples and also Hindu-owned private schools using RTE, and spare non-Hindus at the same time.
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Statements of SoMoKe and CoRaAp-workers are "are you Hindu? well, then we will loot your temples using plethora of temple related laws/judgments, and we will also loot your private schools using RTE". And congress/aap/SoGa/ArKe had offered a loophole "if you get label of non-Hindu, then we will NOT loot your temples and schools".
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Modiji and RSS-workers before may-2014 used to say that we will stop govt loot over temples and stop RTE loot. Which is why Lingayat voted en-masse for RSS in may-2014. But now all know the FACT that Modiji/RSS are same as SoGa/congress on THESE two issues. And so Lingayat had two choices --- fix laws or ask for non-Hindu label. Sadly , they chose second option.
.
But it is important to note that what pushed Lingayat was SoMoKe's decision and congress/rss/aap workers' decision NOT to fix temple laws and scrap RTE.
.
"Lingayat are not Hindu" view as such is centuaries old. But till 2011, this view was confined to Lingayat hardliners and NOT much in Lingayat middle class or masses. Middle class and masses downplayed it as academic and theoritical. But as govt control over temples and schools increased, they too started looking for way out. At first, they ONLY wanted govt control over temples and schools to reduce. But SoMoKe and CoRaAp-workers made it clear that "we will loot Hindu temples, we will loot non-Minority schools". And so Lingayat middle class and masses also started demanding non-Hindu label
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So my point is --- true nationalists, true seculars and hinduvaadies should see that SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers DO NOT want to Hindus and Hinduism to strengthen !! So nationalists etc should dump SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers for good and start woking to to create true nationalist true secular political electoral altenative to SoMoKe and congress/rss/aap workers. Otherwise, due to varoacious apetitite of congress/rss/aap workers to loot Hindu temples and non-Minority schools via RTE, more and more sects may start asking for non-Hindu label.
In KAR, one particular cabinet minister from the minority tried to target several temple lands and tried his best to grab their lands and hand it over to his own religious leadership so that the temples on the grabbed land could be demolished and their own religious structures be thus built in very close proximity to other temples so that they could target and convert people going to the other temples in those complexes of many temples.

He was blocked by a series of court orders and there the matter rests.

Explain to us, MehtaRahulC ji, if you have the testimonials, exactly why Hindu temples should be run by the govt and why Hindu collected funds should be spent on the minorities?? Are Hindus putting money in the temple hundis so that their money should go to other communities?? bypassing the welfare needs of the Hindu community itself??

Are not the true nationalists, true seculars and hinduvaadies such as yourself, wilfully buggering the Hindus?? If you are so secular and have such hatred toward the Hindus, why don't you simply bugger off, get yourself circumcised, or crossed or whatever?? Rest assured that we will not miss you in the least, not by a long shot.


Again, are not the true nationalists, true seculars and hinduvaadies such as yourself, and other motivated "interest" groups using it to identify likely causes and coordinate the targeting of various caste groupings nation wide to build up a rising wave of opposition through thought leading to sink a particular party's chances in 2019.

The patidar and mewani "agitations" in the GJ elections were trial runs of this concept and that almost upset the applecart.

The currently running "dalit agitations" is a refinement and validation of the same process to target a specific party despite the action which precipitated the agitation being owned and needlessly fanned by the SC when it refused to rethink it. The scale is however very different now suggesting that some central authority is now refining, iterating as well as coordinating the process

If the SC was actually so concerned and protective of the rights of the citizens, It would have targeted and struck down the RTE legislation a long long time ago as being discriminatory of the fundamental rights of a specific community. Instead, it aided and abetted the same by allowing the amendment of the constitution to institutionalize such a gross misuse of the parliamentary process brought about by the concerted actions of motivated FFNGOs.

An alpha predator has thus been created in a vital ecosystem like education using the permanently and constitutionally corralled prey base of another hapless community. Has macaulay taken rebirth in another avatar?? Do you really think that one entity in India has the brains to do all this??

Earlier the brahmins were specifically targeted and now a consolidated community has been targeted and made subservient to a minority gang just like the brits themselves were a minority gang in the form of an apex predator during the colonial era??

If such assaults on freedom do not exercise the tender protective feelings of a vital pillar of democracy like the judiciary, then why should the urge push it to intervene in a long standing provision of an established act of parliament concerning SC/STs suddenly stir it now??

There is a desperate need to target one specific individual and a specific organization, the RSS, when both have repeatedly demonstrated their staying power as well as an inspired and awesome capacity for mass mobilization and nationwide organization against the sustained opposition.

The Indian state is also hitting back. The slowly spreading agitations and opposition to the non payment of RTE funding to majority run schools is not a mere coincidence.

The withholding of RTE funds and/or the tardy payment of the same is a planned strategy, to agitate the middle class, spread resentment and anger in them, culminating in public outcries which the govt will finally "recognize" as a matter to be urgently reviewed and addressed before 2019.

Many schools in many states have already mobilized such public opposition to nonpayment of RTE funds and are refusing to make admissions under the RTE, inconveniencing many aspirants. I think that something will happen soon.

SM is full of angry tweets against the RTE and that very real anger is only growing by the day. Do you think that the various state govts as well as the GoI do not know this?? How many states does one particular party control now??

The party will build consensus against the RTE and then strike just as it will also liberate temples from illegal govt controls

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:15 am

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A judge who presided over Shahabuddin case died of a heart attack at a wedding.

A jailed socialite who implicated Karti Chidambaram was poisoned in jail.

Guess which incident was pursued by media?

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:19 am

Return of the Prodigal son. Is this also a Plan B to oust Siddu, if Congress manages to get a win? Siddu is actually a man from JD(S) camp where as prodigal son was in Congress for quite some time (and only jumped ship last year).

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Post by chetak » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:22 am

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#KarnatakaKurukshetra:

#SMKrishna likely to return to #Congress.

Sources state that @DrParameshwara and @DKShivakumar have held talks with SM Krishna.

SM Krishna is reportedly upset with BJP over denial of ticket to his daughter Shambavi.

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