The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - Oct 2018)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Gus » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:52 pm

SSundar wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:19 pm
The benchmark for Modi is the Jallikkattu case in TN. From 2007 to 2014, the same Judge (in HC and then later in SC), the same players in PETA and the UPA GoI twisted and nullified the effect of all remedies the Center could come up with to revive Jallikkattu. They even countered Modi's first attempt to enable it. Finally, Tamils all over the world united in protest and first put the fear of a massive protest into the minds of SC, PETA and Congi/DMK. THEN, Modi invited EPS to Delhi and had his team advise EPS on a TN ordinance that SC/PETA/Congis/DMK could not rise up to challenge. Long struggle but a clear solution.

If Art370, RJB, RTE, LAB, etc. would reach such a strong conclusion, I am all for waiting longer.

The downside though is that the BIF were able to convince a sizable number of Tamils that Modi was more culpable in the delays than the entire rest of the ecosystem. I see some AAPtards spreading that canard in WhatsApp groups even today. So, Modi does risk his reputation being muddied when he delays things that long.
You are missing one crucial detail. It is important one understand that to understand the nuances and how politicking goes on in real world and not some "i voted for x, i want y dammit".

Let me take you to 2016. A full YEAR before the marina protests and the JK admission that the poraalis are so proud of and the political parties are so proud to take credit.

2016 Jan - modi govt bring notification. anti JK lobby moves court and court shoots it down.

N. Sitaraman proposes state ordinance route in Jan 2016 itself.

The exact same thing that OPS eventually did in 2017 to get JK legally admitted.

Proof? Note the date on this

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 570278.cms

Jan 14, 2016
Finding itself in no position to bring in an ordinance to legalize Jallikattu, after the Supreme Court declined to vacate its stay on the notification issued by the ministry of environment and forests to lift the ban on the traditional bull sport in Tamil Nadu, the Centre on Wednesday passed the buck on to the state government saying it was constitutionally empowered to promulgate an ordinance. Chief minister J Jayalalithaa had on Tuesday addressed a letter to Prime Minister Narendra Modi requesting the Centre to issue an ordinance.

Putting the ball in the state's court, Union commerce minister Nirmala Sitharaman said if Tamil Nadu gets an ordinance promulgated, the Centre would back it.
JJ simple chose not to pursue that - because her strategy at that time was to let modi govt get all the blame, and she wanted to dangle her cooperation in return for some relief in her cases.

She did this not only for JK, but also for NEET , she blocked all steps taken by mafoi pandiarajan - the education minister to help TN students adopt NEET. She blocked crop insurance of center and did not pay premium.

This is how JJ, a close "friend" of modi, a "natural ally", an "openly hindu and nationalist" person propped as alternative to anti-hindu and separatist DMK etc...behaved..and got away with it as long as she was in power.

even the so called well-read, all-knowing and good intentioned people of brf/bgr don't know how politicians can put roadblocks in the agenda..even when it comes at cost of their own constituency, because our people are so dumb and can be easily misled and diverted.

so, even after all the work it did for JK, BJP has ZERO goodwill from TN on JK. that's the power of political propaganda.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by fanne » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:06 pm

On pet issues, wjat Modi Sarkar has done - Piyush Kulshreshtha on Feb 25 on twitter had a better list, if anyone is Tech savvy can pull that out. For me it does not go beyond March 8.

He has fostered a environment where Hindus are not under Mortal threat, through 9/11 style attacks, or communal Bill (which said in short - If you/or someone from your organization (and not you) say anything against any other religion you will be fukced,and btw all minorities are exempt from this bill, basically if you are Hindu and a congress chamcha becomes a member of your group (like RSS, or school or temple community or a WhatsApp group) and say something against any other religion, you can and will go to jail), or RTE. The limitation that he has with no RS majority still (and Hamid Ansari for RS chairman for 70% of the time), no 2/3rd in LS he has done the following
1.UCC - TT is passed in LS, pending in RS. Polygamy and Halala taken up. Subsidy for muslim girls in education, an educated ms girl may not produce 12 kids, more like 4.
2.Article 370/Kashmir - The forces have dominated Kashmir like never before. Highest number of terrorist per year killed in these days. Demo stopped pelting for many months. Article 35 and such explored (that circumvents Article 370 and parliament). It awaits a more pliable judges
3.Shri Ram Mandir - The court is being pushed hard enough. All this impeachment against the CGI that you hear is because of that. In court of law, this is really a one sided case. The other side is not going to roll over.
4.fOREIGN FUNDING for conversion - Effectively stopped. The other side has regrouped with new ways, that needs to be countered. But it is not the earlier merry making.
5. Go Hatya - Movement of Cattle stopped across state lines. Many abettors closed (by enforcing existing laws).Do not know one run by Kapil Sibbal has closed or not
6.Haj subsidy stopped - That money diverted towards educating muslim girls.
7. Temple land/wealth - I believe this is a state subject. And I don't believe that government control should be removed. However, the fund collected should be used by the same temple, overseen by the church. That law each temple/state has to do. BJP government in many states have been for long, why is that not happening I do not know. Maybe the reality is, The temples of North/West are not that rich, and if they are, the management is hindu and they use their funds to their liking (I can think of all BAPS temple, Gorakhnath Math etc.) The South Temples are rich, but there has not been BJP government. At least like Sida, the BSY govt was not trying to take over the mthas. I believe the largets abuse of temple wealth is in AP, Kerla, TN. None had BJP govn. Guys please add

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Post by achoudhury » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:38 pm

Vikas wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:15 pm
Can someone enlighten us as how easy or difficult it is for Modi Sarkaar to
1. Drop RTE
2. Abrogate Art-370
3. Implement UCC
4. Free temples from Govt clutches
5. Put whole of Congress ecosystem behind bars
6. Order construction of huge Ram Temple in Ayodhaya

Lets see if whiners really have a case here or it is just that..Hot gas to post something negative about NM.
Very nice. This is the list that most of idiotic or pretending to be BJP leaning supporter carps about i.e. "but what about "Indic Issues". All the issues in the list is either a nuclear issue or issue which requires endurance of a marathon runner. For nuclear issues, Once you press the button, you better be sure that you are going to win that one. There can not be a half way effort in any of this. Half win will be almost complete loss for BJP and Indics. RTE, 370 and UCC are nuclear issues. RTE can not be repealed in current form. This will enrage entire middle class and neo middle class who send their kids to private schools. Without RTE they will charge usurious fees. Since public edu is more or less lost cause as it will take 10-15 years of sustained effort to turn around the situation, A creative solution needs to be arrived at. I dont know what it could be. May be something like raising the cost of minority run institution or providing some need based education voucher.

BJP will not take a moment if they could repeal article 370. But it is simply not possible till they have at least 2/3rd LS and simple RS majority.
UCC case is slowly being advanced by slow creep. That is the right strategy in that case. Framing each UCC related issue against inviolable Individual right is a winning strategy.

Also, I am not sure freeing temple from GoI's clutches is a great idea. It is an emotive issue but the way hindusim is structred, it may lead to even more fissures, which can be exploited by BIF. May be a law can be framed that money will be solely used for advancing Education or Health of Hindus so that it can not be used by state to fill its coffers.

Putting Congressis behind the bar is smaller issue. It will happen albeit slowly. Laloo's case was blatant and it still took 20 years. More imp is to own that ecosystem of Judiciary, Education, Administration, think tanks, Media, etc. Make it work for you. Again this is a long term project. WIll require 3-4 continuos terms and then only you can prepare a generation of foot soldier. Congress and Left owned it for 60 years.

In the end, none of the issues you mentioned threatens our civilizational existence. Yes none. All of these are nice to haves.

The real fight is existential. And in this, I see only BJP fighting on my side. Rest all of them are either virulent opponent or abetting the other side for their own benefit.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Trilobite » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:19 am

Sachin wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:39 pm
Trilobite wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:00 pm
Given their very comfortable majority in parliament, I am guessing that all these can be passed using the the money bill route, of course almost all of them will be challenged in court for their constitutional validity, but at least the govt. can say that they did their part.
Two points:-
1. BJP would then for ever lose any of its credibility when it then opposes the then GoI using Money Bill to even pass laws related to say legalising gay sex. We all know INC led governments has misused this provision, but are we expecting BJP==INC?
2. If what ever law they pass gets challenged in the court, it would be better to take a step back and then come up with a legal process which cannot be scuttled by some other group. For people who want stuff which was listed here; We tried but failed argument is also not going to be sufficient. So why take up some thing (in a hope that it would appease the extreme crowd), which ultimately leaves GoI with egg on its face?
1. Moot point as BJP has already passed many such bills. BJP/NDA also has enough strength to pass a bill in a joint session of both houses, so if BJP wants to pass a bill, any bill, it can. Also the BJP == INC is wrong equation,
Congress has been in power lot longer than BJP, and the "standard" that BJP has set in last 4 years, hopefully wll not be followed by subsequent govt following BJP/NDA govt.

2. Either that or not addressing its core base issues would cost BJP at the polls, but certainly BJP has not lived up to its rhetoric vis a vis article 370.

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Post by Lilo » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:52 am

Trilobite wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:19 am
Moot point as BJP has already passed many such bills(masked as money bills) .
"Many bills" hain?
Why don't you back your bullshit with facts if you are capable ?

Black Money Bill and Aadhar Bill are the two financial bills which one can argue have been exceptionally passed as a money bill by this govt.
Guess since both the bills directly strike at the stomachs of your corrupt pilfering congie commie berthen they were squirming and wailing in studios that GOI is not justified in passing those bills as Money bills. Boo hoo cry me a river.

Folks should notice how Trilobite has shifted into his MYTY (more yindoo than yindoo) posing act claiming that GOI could have directly amended RTE by claiming it as a Money bill. This MYTY act is now the core strategy of Congies and Commies (note how they stopped directly referring to mainorities like Muslims and their demands in their campaigning since long - now it's all BJP is a neech kisam ka Hindutva party ,while we the Congress is the real Hindu party which follows "traditional" Hindu sikualrism etc).
All this became explicit when Abhisex Singhvi proclaimed that Rahul baba is a Janeudhari Hindu as opposed to NaMo who is a neech kisam ka (i.e low caste non janeudhari) per janeudhari poser Mani Shankar Aiyyar.
Trilobite wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:19 am
BJP/NDA also has enough strength to pass a bill in a joint session of both houses, so if BJP wants to pass a bill, any bill, it can. Also the BJP == INC is wrong equation,
Anyway notice that Trilobite knowing that majority of PIF don't have basic knowledge that bills (like RTE amendment or Art 370 abrogation)cannot be passed by a joint sitting since they are Constitutional amendment bills, so he comes and pulls his MYTY poser routine claiming that BJP has forsaken Hindus and Hindus should leave "neech kisam ka" BJP and flock to Congies and their regional b-teams or atleast go for NOTA. This is the most effective congie whatsapp and SM strategy most probably created by Cambridge Analytica .

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Post by MehtaRahulC » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:08 am

How RSS-workers fool nationalists --- Modiji doesnt have majority in RS to pass laws
Can someone enlighten us as how easy or difficult it is for Modi Sarkaar to
1. Drop RTE
2. Abrogate Art-370
3. Implement UCC
4. Free temples from Govt clutches
5. Put whole of Congress ecosystem behind bars
6. Order construction of huge Ram Temple in Ayodhaya
"(4) Free temples from Govt clutches "does NOT need any law. Mere Gazette Notification will suffice. Because here govt is NOT taking anything from anyone. Govt is only returning something to its rightful owners. And no court have intervened when Govt is returning something back to its owners.

RTE can be dropped using money bill or many provisions can be removed. Heck, even if provisions are not removed, Govts have enough powers to stop use of powers (that harass school owners) for long time by chasing paperworks.

Once a law is passed as money bill, courts cannot dispute the point whether due process was followed in Parliament or not , and whether bill should have been money bill or not. So Modi-rakshaks argument that Modiji isnt passing laws to deal with some of above issues is because he doesnt have RS majority, is as always , a fake reason. meant ONLY to fool the nationalists.

I would also add following INDIC (nationalist, true secular) causes where Modiji and RSS deliberately didnt take any actions due to nefarious reasons'
  1. Dropping some nefarious provisions of RTE
  2. Free temples from Govt clutches
  3. Ban meat export , ban buffalo meat export (will reduce cow slaughter in India)
  4. Ram Janam Bhoomi Devalaya
  5. Krishna Janam Bhoomi Devalaya
  6. Kashi Vishvanath Devalaya
  7. Two child law - can cite environment, law order and many good reasons
  8. Imposing wealth tax on lands of churches (and also temples, mosques, gurudwara)
  9. Reducing tax terrorism - GST has increase tax terrorism and ewaybill will make it worse
  10. linking aadhar with land ownership across India !!!
  11. Weaponization of we the commons
  12. expelling Bangladeshi infiltrators, expelling Rohingye
  13. Allowing in REFUGEES (not infiltrators) from Pakistan, bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc just as Israel takes all Jews from any part of world
  14. Renaming Ahmedabad to Karnavati, Aurangabad to Sambhajinagar etc etc !!! I had heard several audios of Sri Modiji in 1990s on this topic, where he and Togadiaji would make brave speeches on this demand !!!
All the above can be done with just money bills
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And any law be brought after taking a referendum. Govt of India has taken two referendum in Goa till date (pls google on "referendum India goa"). Thus referendum isnt binding in India, but taking referendum is constitutionally valid because there is precedent. But like congress/aap leaders/workers, RSS leaders and workers from top to bottom are compromised and so they all oppose proposals to take referendum on any issue.

And some RSS-workers like Lilo have give utter fake excuses for in-action that say "this was not in RSS's election manifesto" !! Well, RSS's election manifesto is NOT our benchmark. And temple freeing was part of speeches of many RSS-leaders and RSS-workers.

So all nationalists can see that Modiji and RSS-workers have NOT done even LEGALLY TRIVIAL tasks like freeing temples from govt control. Why NOT? Because in past congress used to loot temples. Well, who gets the loot now? See where temple money is now going, and you see see the MOTIVES of Modiji, RSS-leaders and RSS-workers !!!
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Post by chetak » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:14 am

The CA saga continues.

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Post by chetak » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:29 am

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Post by Sachin » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:48 am

MehtaRahulC wrote:"(4) Free temples from Govt clutches "does NOT need any law. Mere Gazette Notification will suffice.
It is not as simple as seen. Take for example KL. The Devaswom Boards (eq: Muzrai Dept. in KA etc.) was formed as part of the agreement with the kings of Travancore & Cochin. Till then the temples were under their supervision, the kings wanted a guarantee that the temples would be managed by the elected government of the day, with the Kerala High Court also having more supervisory powers. Now how can "Mere Gazette Notification" nullify an agreement signed by the two parties? Also if the Devaswom Boards are disbanded today, who would then start managing the temples? Which community, which sect/caste? If you say it is through elections, then how can the voter's list and nominal roll etc. be prepared? Management of temples is not one simple activity across India. Each state, would have its on societial practises, traditions and way of running the affair at the temple.


All said and done, I am now really happy to see that more and more people have started liking Hinduism and now even started openly taking up "Hindu causes" :rotfl:. This is like CPI(M) in Kerala, now even celebrating Janmashtami, the birthday of Com. Krishna.

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Post by sanjayC » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:23 am

Sachin wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:48 am
MehtaRahulC wrote:"(4) Free temples from Govt clutches "does NOT need any law. Mere Gazette Notification will suffice.
It is not as simple as seen. Take for example KL. The Devaswom Boards (eq: Muzrai Dept. in KA etc.) was formed as part of the agreement with the kings of Travancore & Cochin. Till then the temples were under their supervision, the kings wanted a guarantee that the temples would be managed by the elected government of the day, with the Kerala High Court also having more supervisory powers. Now how can "Mere Gazette Notification" nullify an agreement signed by the two parties? Also if the Devaswom Boards are disbanded today, who would then start managing the temples? Which community, which sect/caste? If you say it is through elections, then how can the voter's list and nominal roll etc. be prepared? Management of temples is not one simple activity across India. Each state, would have its on societial practises, traditions and way of running the affair at the temple.

All said and done, I am now really happy to see that more and more people have started liking Hinduism and now even started openly taking up "Hindu causes" :rotfl:. This is like CPI(M) in Kerala, now even celebrating Janmashtami, the birthday of Com. Krishna.
The Government needs to set up a Hindu charitable trust in each state which will manage the temples. The trust will collect donation money from temples and use that money for upkeep of the temples and other religious infrastructure in the state such as facilities for pilgrims. The surplus money will be used to set up subsidized schools, orphanages and hospitals for Hindus in the state. It should be a statutory body on the lines of the Wakf Board. Top 500 revenue earning temples in India should be administered by this Trust. Wish Modi Govt. can bring a legislation in the Parliament for this. Let the Congress oppose and expose itself.

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Post by Sachin » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:15 am

sanjayC wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:23 am
The Government needs to set up a Hindu charitable trust in each state which will manage the temples. The trust will collect donation money from temples and use that money for upkeep of the temples and other religious infrastructure in the state such as facilities for pilgrims. The surplus money will be used to set up subsidized schools, orphanages and hospitals for Hindus in the state.
Point #1; don't know the MYTY crowd would be happy with such a proposition. Point #2; The Devaswom Boards in KL actually come quite close to the trusts you mentioned. It has been raised by the government. The boards only contain Hindus in its ranks. The voting to elect the members is done by Hindu MLAs in the state assembly. Over sight on spending etc. is done by the Hon. High Court. The Devaswom Boards are actually there to do all the tasks which you mentioned; manage temples, manage schools & colleges which were associated with the temples etc.

So ideally, things should be better in KL because we have a system which is quite close to one which you shared :). But no, it is not working. Mainly because;
1. The nominees of the government are there based on there political affiliation (and not because of their devotion).
2. There can be "Hindus" (by birth) who claim to be atheists (ex: Commies) who can still mis-manage the temple, or govern it in such a way that many other Hindus can feel offended. Since Hinduism does NOT have one holy book, any body can interpret it any way they want.
3. With political appointments, the nominated members can misuse the funds & donations and really are not bothered in upliftment of the Hindu community in general. So there is no initiative to start new schools or hospitals etc.
It should be a statutory body on the lines of the Wakf Board. Top 500 revenue earning temples in India should be administered by this Trust. Wish Modi Govt. can bring a legislation in the Parliament for this. Let the Congress oppose and expose itself.
Can such a "Trust" be trusted, would be bigger question. Please note, there has been numerous cases on Wakf Board members misusing the Wakf property.

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Post by Chandragupta » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:40 am

fanne wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:57 am
I hope now Chandragupta ji can see folly of his way. Unwittingly he is a foot soldier of CA and furthering their cause. He does that without CA paying him (he is righteous you see). At least Shekhar Gupta gets paid. Some on this forum maybe getting paid from CA as well. I request mod to do clean up. If someone is in ignore list of 50% of the forum member, show him the door.
I will give an example, in our side there is a saying, the wise man touches $shit 3 times, once with this foot (when $hit is on the way, covered in mud, touches by accident of course), then he touches it by its hand (because he is intelligent/righteous), then by his nose (he has to be neutral and purveyor of all that is correct). I may add the modern forth step - He then announces that on all the Social media present and wonders could this be Mody's fault? The not so wise man touches by his foot and washes that away, right then and there.
I request forum moderator to just chuck that out and defeat CA. Why be their tool. We loose some diversity of opinion, so be it. If you need diversity I can single handedly deliver that, and in much better way that is more useful for debate.
To all righteous RW, the battle line are drawn, choose your side and stay with it (even if you choose Rahul's as you are very intelligent and righteous). If you choose Mody's, then remember, the enemy is on the other side, find his fault not Mody's. the last few sentences are not so hard.
Well, I couldnt respond to this earlier because I was sent to cool off by the mods. But here is the thing - we both are on the same team. If you accuse others of being on CA or BIF side, it is you who are dividing the team not me. I have maintained since GDF days that we must defend this Government in public space, but if there is criticism, BRF/GDF was a safe space. Mocking people who are on the same side but differ from you with regards to certain things does not give you the right to mock or label as BIF.

I have been on BRF for 10 years, I challenge you or Lilo or Syam or whoever who called me a BIF to dig out ONE SINGLE Post from my handle on BRF which is pro-INC or pro-AAP or anti-Hindu or pro-Left. One post and I will delete my handles on both BG & BRF.

Saying that we are on the opposite side is idiotic. 2019 is a matter of life & death. Some of us don't want to go down the same path as 2004. It is my view that emotive issues are the issues that electrify the vote base. I see those emotive issues as Hindutva issues. Many people here don't agree with that. Some here contradicted me saying the Hindutva wave of 2014 was just in my head and Modi won the election on Vikas + Anti-Congress wave. That may well be true, one of those things is true the other is false.

My worldview is shaped by religion, it is Hindu-Muslim where I come from (Western UP), so the people I meet, family - conversations are not about development or foreign policy but Hindu-Muslim. So perhaps my take on these issues is a little emotion based & perhaps, look exaggerated to someone who doesn't share the same PoV.

Anyway, since it causes so much khujli to people here, I will take a break from posting in this thread.

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Post by Hari Seldon » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:28 am

Saying that we are on the opposite side is idiotic. 2019 is a matter of life & death. Some of us don't want to go down the same path as 2004. It is my view that emotive issues are the issues that electrify the vote base. I see those emotive issues as Hindutva issues.
+1, saar. Hang around. No need to leave and cede public space to one-sided polemics. Just saying, only.

Meanwhile, Amitbhai Shah sees and speaks clearly - truth to power in KT. He has after all toured the country way more extensively and with way more ground connect since mid-2014 than a cloistered statesman Modi tied down by the burdens of governance. No wonder then that Shah senses the cadre mood and the public pulse quite clearly only. Behold.

Will track murderers of BJP activists from abyss: Amit Shah (The Statesman)
BJP President Amit Shah said if his party came to power in Karnataka, it would catch hold of murderers of his party activists even if they hide in the abyss
BJP President Amit Shah on Friday said if his party came to power in Karnataka, it would catch hold of murderers of his party activists even if they hide in the abyss.

Shah, on a two-day tour of election-bound Karnataka that votes on May 12 to elect a new government, was in Mysuru to meet the erstwhile royal family at Ambavilas Palace, also known as Mysore Palace.

He met Yaduveer Krishnadatta Chamaraja Wadiyar, the head of the family, and his mother Pramoda Devi Wadiyar and wife Trishika Kumari Devi.

Shah tweeted that he had “a wonderful meeting with Maharaja Yaduveer, Rajamatha Pramoda and Maharani Trishika of the royal family of Mysuru”.

Addressing the media after meeting the royals, the BJP chief condemned the “killing of BJP and RSS workers under the Congress rule”.

He said over 24 workers have been killed and the the police has taken no action against the killers.

“They are roaming scot-free. They are being allowed to commit more murders. The Siddaramaiah government’s end is nearing and when the BJP forms the government, we will track the culprits from the abyss.”
Thanks Amitbhai for remembering them, showing up at their homes with the loved ones they left behind and sharing their sorrows and memories of party cadre murdered only because they were party cadre.
https://twitter.com/AmitShah/status/979620204706746368
Amit Shah Verified account @AmitShah

Visited the home of Late Shri Raju, our karyakarta from Kyathamaranahalli, Mysuru and paid condolences to the bereaved family. Entire BJP stands united with Raju's family. Such politics of violence must be uprooted from the peaceful land of Karnataka.
Jai ho. Only.

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Post by Sachin » Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:12 pm

CBSE paper leak: students, Cong. hold protests in Delhi
Are these people for real? Trying to get the PM etc. involved in a question paper leak issue? At this rate, I am expecting Kapil Sibal etc. to be in my home town soon. The night patrolling & beats in my town has been drastically reduced by the police. The Modi shud rejign!!.

SP-BSP alliance may cost BJP 25-30 Lok Sabha seats in UP: Athawale
My understanding is that R Athawale is from the BJP, and perhaps he is just giving an honest opinion on the SP-BSP Alliance.
Hari Seldon wrote:Thanks Amitbhai for remembering them, showing up at their homes with the loved ones they left behind and sharing their sorrows and memories of party cadre murdered only because they were party cadre.
Don't know if this is an election gimmick. At least in KL the CPI(M) folks still continue to kill political rivals, and even CBI enquiries are just not moving forward. A few pretty much known faces of CPI(M) running around the courts itself would actually make a difference. Mean while, in the murder of a good active RSS worker in Bengaluru, Karnataka - Rudresh murder act of terror: NIA . The state police etc. was just trying to play with the personal enimity cheap trick, where as it was known that Islamic terrorists were behind Rudresh' death. He had the audacity to celebrate Vinayak Chaturthi in a peacefool locality of Shivaji Nagar, Bengaluru.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:13 pm

The strategy in RJ should be to go without a CM face. The strategy in UP should be polarization to prevent caste consolidation.

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Post by crams » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:19 pm

chetak wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:14 am
The CA saga continues.

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Seems only over last one year @ShekharGupta 's increased articles on castistm, 4 judges media conference, koregaon violence for first time, patidar agitation turning violent .. many sudden online portals like wire , scroll in, print..who is funding them ? @rsprasad @sambitswall
This is exactly what I was saying is the tactic of CA using social media for their Congoon and other opposition clients.

Perverts like Coupta, UnDy, have been on this anti-BJP wagon from day 1. They have this narrative about BJP and they will cherry pick facts or they will use a hate crime here or there to make a causal connection between their anti-BJP stance to begin with and these facts. Its as though there was no hate crime, there was no casteism prior to ModiJi coming to power in 2014. And even on hate crimes, crimes of p!ssful or murders of 'upper castes' or Hindus will not even be covered, let alone making any causal connection.

The one potent tactic that CA brings to the table is effective use of social media. So there may be a Dalit or an OBC who is leaning towards BJP knowing that 'secular' eunuchs have done nothing except lip service. But they do still have this deep grudge against 'upper castes', many times due real ignominy they face, and many times its ingrained. So essentially they are on the edge. Now they start receiving anti-BJP anti-upper caste messages drilled in day in and day out based on cherry picked facts through whatever social media outlets they are used to, and automatically, their perceptions of BJP as an upper caste, North Indian party continue. At that point, a discerning observer will laugh at the propaganda especially if they realize that the gangsters who are sending these message have done nothing for 70+ years, and they are themselves a bunch of bigoted, anti-Hindu, corrupt thieves. But thats not they way human beings react when presented with 'facts' that reinforce their preexisting mental state. This is what BJP is up against.

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Post by crams » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:35 pm

SuSwamy during his visit to US last year at my city made the comment that BJP is aiming for 40+% of the vote up from from 33% in 2014. When asked how, he said Congoon tactic for 70+ years has been to divide Hindus and harness p!sffuls. While BJP tactic is to unite Hindus across caste lines and divide p!ssfuls through triple talaq and such. He was referring to how much support BJP has from Muslim women and Shias on TT. That efficacy of that tactic was questionable then, and now its even laughable given the inroads anti-BJP opposition have made in harnessing lower caste vote. So essentially anti-BJP plank of Congoons is to limit the unifying power of Hinduthva by harnessing caste fault lines. Its irnoic that BJP is actually trying to unite while thugbandhan is dividing, but BJP gets the flak for divisiveness :-).

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Post by Vikas » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:37 pm

BJP in GE'19 is expected to lose some seats in region north of Vindhyas. Isn't it normal & expected ?
But then they will gain some seats from Eastern coast of India, right for WB to KL where they scored virtually nothing in GE14.
It can't be that BJP loses seats from one region but will not gain from another.
So all in all, I am hopeful that BJP will still end up crossing 300 alone unless and until, We Hindus again get divided and bring back BIF in the play and then complain after another dark and lost decade with few thousand Mosques and Churches dotting the land scape.

About the CA story, One thing I don't get is if CA is manipulating SM only? If Yes, then does SM carry so much weight in a biased, emotional and Mobile illiterate country like ours to influence voters ?
After all you can't sell Raul G to voters, in whatever way you slice and dice his image of being a Pappu.

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Post by chetak » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:47 pm

Supratik wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:13 pm
The strategy in RJ should be to go without a CM face. The strategy in UP should be polarization to prevent caste consolidation.
We need good numbers for the BJP from bihar too. Many seats will hopefully come from WB, OR and the telugu belt of TL and AP.

BJP will retain MH too.

Need to seriously break the back of some anti national alliances by outperforming them.

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Post by chetak » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:01 pm

Vikas wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:37 pm
BJP in GE'19 is expected to lose some seats in region north of Vindhyas. Isn't it normal & expected ?
But then they will gain some seats from Eastern coast of India, right for WB to KL where they scored virtually nothing in GE14.
It can't be that BJP loses seats from one region but will not gain from another.
So all in all, I am hopeful that BJP will still end up crossing 300 alone unless and until, We Hindus again get divided and bring back BIF in the play and then complain after another dark and lost decade with few thousand Mosques and Churches dotting the land scape.

About the CA story, One thing I don't get is if CA is manipulating SM only? If Yes, then does SM carry so much weight in a biased, emotional and Mobile illiterate country like ours to influence voters ?
After all you can't sell Raul G to voters, in whatever way you slice and dice his image of being a Pappu.
The BJP got a scare in GJ. They had not anticipated the orchestrated patidar and dalit uprisings and were caught by surprise. Now they have wised up and with each little failure, the CA influenced threads are slowly unravelling and the breadth of the inroads created by CA is getting exposed.

The church propaganda in dilli was the first serious attempt by CA as was khujliwals scripted rise in dilli. It was always known that someone offshore was running the AAP campaign. It was too slick and too professional to be a completely Indian effort.

We know now that the CA's roots are running deep. It needs to be seen just how they have scripted the run in to the 2019 campaign.

The congis are just minor players in the CA's game plan. The real sponsors are likely to be rome and some EU countries.

I suspect that they are the same lot who protected and aided the LTTE and still continue to do so.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:03 pm

Unless Nitish throws a googly BH is in the kitty. The worry is UP and RJ. Rest is plus-minus.

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Post by Indrad » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:54 pm

post card news portal editor has been arrested by Blore police and here we have Modi sarkar quietly letting channels peddle fake news.
Why that H----i Coupta can't be picked up for peddling wrong news on Doklam one after another?

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Post by fanne » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:57 pm

The reason is simple. Both the arrests would be bad in law. Congress is least bothered or was ever bothered. Mr. Hegde will be released soon. Where there is tight case (ndtv/NH), BJP is moving as fast the C-system (judges) will allow it to move at. Remember it took 15 years for a open and shut case of Laloo for conviction.

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Post by fanne » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:00 pm

Best way to counter that H------I is to counter everywhere where his news/you tube shows up. Put your thoughts or cut paste. Please do not forget to post that he had underhand dealing in CWG and partnerd with Musharaf on Agra (famously said, don't worry we will take care of BJP to TSP)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 2 (Mar 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:15 pm

Indrad wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:54 pm
post card news portal editor has been arrested by Blore police and here we have Modi sarkar quietly letting channels peddle fake news.
Why that H----i Coupta can't be picked up for peddling wrong news on Doklam one after another?
This too would pass, my dear sir. The Karnataka Police seems to be quite keen on becoming the most ridiculous force in this entire country. A month back, they came up with - Gauri Lankesh murder: Karnataka SIT makes first arrest in case, 37-year-old man, linked to Hindu Yuva Sena, held. Then there was the update on; Gauri Lankesh murder: Accused KT Naveen Kumar confesses and agrees to lie detector test, says SIT . Then all we hear is "radio silence". Why hasn't the lie detector test being carried out? The police jolly well know that the "confession" given by Naveen Kumar when in police custody is of no use in the court. And they also know that the lie detector test would also not help then in any way. So what best can be done? "Shoot & Scoot".

Now when they have got zero progress in Gauri Lankesh murder case, try to work on another "petty case" and arrest a media person. The "secular" media would now tom-tom that, and people will forget about Naveen Kumar & Gauri Lankesh murder. The CM has even got a "police advisory", and his accolades are even better :roll:.

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