The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by shravanp » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:58 pm

JohnTitor wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:36 am
shravanp wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:42 pm
chetak wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:15 pm
See the video linked below



In pursuit of Ram Mandir, and being excessively focussed on other pressing issues, we are perilously ignoring the nefarious schemes running in the background. This is shocking!
So you're saying Indian government/agencies are incapable of chewing gum and walking at the same time.
I don't think GoI can be blamed because BJP even while in power, doesn't seem to have a full grip over government institutions. These sneaking of Rohingyas in Laddakh is a symptom of that. Probably many more such instances where GoI has literally no visibility into, nor any control over the agencies. We can safely assume that there's substantial compromised lot, and will take a thorough quarantining process, especially another 2-3 consecutive BJP terms.

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Post by crams » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:10 pm

I have been saying this since day 1, when the BIF brigade through its media outlets like IE and UndY started attacking ModiJi from the day he took office. Namely, to undermine his central development plank to make India a strong, resilient, self-confident India with Hindus regaining their rightful place and pride. They (BIF) decided that at any cost, this dream of ModiJi and BJP must be thwarted. Hence starting with attributing random Church attacks to BJP, hyping up every single hate crime as the ideology of BJP, this game-plan is in full-swing. But among all of the whining against BJP and ModiJi for not standing up for Hindus, I find the most merit in BJP being unable to counterattack BIF on their false narratives.

Case in point is WP picking up the stats from that rag India-spend and peddling fake news that hate crimes against Muslims, Dalits, SC/STs etc have gone up under BJP. A clear strategy of BIF filling the hearts and minds of 'low caste' Hindus with fear against 'Brahmin/Bania BJP'. On doesn't need to be super genius statisticians like Profs Mahalanobis or C.R. Rao, but the way the propaganda was being peddled and built up, it was obvious that this narrative was a case of cherry picking from inter-caste, inter-religious hate crimes that are endemic and ubiquitous in India. And unless it became a communal cauldron, it was only passing news before BJP came to power. It turns out India spend was in fact lying through their teeth, and cherry picking stats to suit this narrative, but that still didn't stop WP

https://swarajyamag.com/amp/story/polit ... -the-facts

Now here is my gripe. Among India's Lutyen traitor elite, it is fashionable, desirable that if WP/NYT/Economist picks up some of their drain inspector contempt against BJP, then this is some stellar achievement. How many times have you heard low-IQ journos like Burka Bibi or Omar Abdullah's keep or even reasonable IQ types like Karan Thappad or Turdesai to cite NYT or WP reports to make their arguments against BJP? That this currency was not devalued by attacking and exposing the BIF scum is the single top failure IMO of BJP PR machine.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:20 pm

Supratik wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:21 pm
Sabarimala may well by CPIM's Singur in Kerala. I see the same arrogance.
There are some reports on SM that many Hindu commies are leaving the party because of the ill treatment to the devotees.

If true, it must be the younger and the less indoctrinated lot who are ideologically less committed. (or brainwashed) :mrgreen:

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Post by Indrad » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:01 pm

https://www.dailyo.in/politics/rafale-d ... 27556.html
in this op ed on why modi govt is on backfoot on Rafale despite having done nothing wrong , mr merchant writes
Modi may well go down in 2019, but it won’t be because of Rafale. It will be because of continuing rural distress, the lack of well-paying jobs and the BJP’s paralysed inaction over the Ram temple in Ayodhya

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Post by Muns » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:02 am

Guys, decided to post a video on the Sabarimala issue. We talked with the head of the Delhi Ayyappa Temple to get his views on the whole Sabarimala issue. I tried to highlight the fact that that most of the woman entering, I think the earlier posted by Chetak were non-Hindus.

For his sake, he tried to be as secular as he can. He did come out strongly against the fakers, trying to force their way into Sabarimala Temple.
However on the other hand he did talk about Vavar mosque located at the base of the temple, in trying to be secular. We cannot change the answers although I do my best to try and guide the questions.



Although a little bit delayed, I have tried to bring up the other side of the #metoo situation as we have been discussing as well in our channel.

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Post by Muns » Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:15 am

Just to Whine.... I'm extremely frustrated by the lack of information on the Rafale deal. Every, gdamn day the Congress party seems to hitting this issue with a massive stick.

For God sakes who gives a rats **s about the actual figures. Growing up on BRF forum we all understand what this really means for the IAF when it comes to SEAD and DEAD missions.
Not only that, the amount of additional weaponry added was never part of the additional deal.This includes SCALP as well as probable HAMMER as well.

We are talking about improved air to air combat capability with MICA. Not to mention the fact that we are also talking about integrated HAL equipment and the amount of cross commonality between our Mirage 2000 upgrade and even future upgrades for our Tejas.

For God sakes, combat the negative propaganda effectively. There is not at the day that goes by when this **** is brought up again and again. For as much that all of these oped authors talk about, lack of progress on Ram Mandir and the like, it is beginning to sound that the thousand lies repeatedly mentioned becomes the truth as mentioned by Ajit Doval.

Talking about all of the good progress does not negate the significant effect of negative propaganda. I have tried my best at India Aware to bring out whatever I can on a daily basis regarding Rafale. To be honest however to increase the reach, we have been focusing on entertainment news while I tried to slip these slivers of gyan for the local masses.

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Post by crams » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:32 am

Muns, come on, lets get serious. You really think Pappu and his slaves need to be answered, and more importantly, they are looking for answers and national interest? Give me a break.

If ModiJi even attempts to talk, Pappu & his slaves will smell blood and disparge him even further.

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Post by Muns » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:38 am

I know, let me let you in on the secret Da Vinci code image that I have in the back of my mind. I see Pappu, kneeling before across and sell flagellating himself because he did not hit his daily quota of 25 abuses of the day for Modi.

Which brings to another image in my mind of Krishna pardoning Shisupala Hundred times for his abuse. I think it's well over 1000 times by now. Why give the fool any more fodder to deal with. Let them simply open the books with regards to cost for aircraft and weapons acquired.

It doesn't matter if we disclose how many scalp, mica or hammer missiles were part of the deal. Frankly it is no matter at this stage if we got an amazing deal with regard to Qatar or Egypt. If Dassault wants to say anything, they are more than welcome on their part to defend this issue as they see fit as well.
His silence on this issue is more damning than any benefit at this stage especially with elections in the next six months.

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Post by Gus » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:02 am

Muns- the modi operandi has been to use other ministers until the point where Modi has to speak during campaign trail.

His response depends on the traction of issue and timing in campaign calendar.

Outside of the ‘never modi’ camp - rafale has no traction. The congress strategy of finding something to fuel every news cycle is in diminishing returns territory already. Jaitley and Nirmala’s responses and counter questions are not answered or challenged yet. Modi speaking about it now will undermine his own ministers and give renewed energy to opposition.

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Post by fanne » Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:55 pm

Guys, I am an outsider, knowing nothing about the deal - But the govt cannot say few things. Isn't this obvious.
1. Why is the cost of upgrading base $2 billion? (or is it $2 billion per base). It is ridiculously high. Do you know why? What will Raffy carry that needs the base to have an expense of 2 billion. Is the PAL on our weapon that we have not good? (Some report suggest that western country from the emissions from these PAL know where our weapons are. Did France give us something.....that maybe other western power did not (and have a unsaid embargo which the French broke?). France has been suppling us stuff which no one will - Viking/Vikas engine, INS etc).

2. The Raffy may/will be carrying agony's flowers. We don't have any plane specifically modified for it. Countries do not do for obvious reasons, you do not be part of the adversary retaliation. Our SU30MKI or even Mirages do not come with that option. We can make it special. Raffy probably comes readymade and Fr does not want that to be noted.

3.Most likely we are also getting some tech from the unsaid embargo - engine tech. No body will talk, in spite of Mr. Y I Patel trying it here.

The duffer raga knows (I mean coached by his foreign sponsored, trying to get these info).

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Post by Sachin » Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm

chetak wrote:There are some reports on SM that many Hindu commies are leaving the party because of the ill treatment to the devotees.
Yes, indeed. And every Hindu family which has a communist in its rank is now facing some rifts. This ill-conceived verdict has not gone down well with the women of Kerala. Add to it the very dictatorial stand of the communists. The most often heard question is why don't the women from the familiy of ministers in the communist government themselves make an attempt to visit the temple? So far none of them have "volunteered". The big question is which group of women did the verdict try to help?. These cases were all given by women from North India, who have not even tried coming to Sabari Mala even once.
If true, it must be the younger and the less indoctrinated lot who are ideologically less committed.
Communism flourished in Kerala, mainly because of poverty and situations/social customs which encouraged the poverty to remain. You may be surprised that there are lots of communist believers in the brahmin community of Kerala (yes, the same Brahmins the commies regularly abuse and spread hatred on). This was mainly because many of these Brahmin priests were really poor (in 1920-1940s time period). And for them due to the caste based restrictions priest hood was the only way to survive. These people "worshipped the god", more as a duty (and survival) than genuine belief. And these people since they were just doing a "duty" were in no way capable to spiritually guide the people (like what a JCO religious teacher does in the Army). It was these people who took to communism, and during the 1950s any "upper caste" (especially who dealt with Hindu temples earlier) who got a government job found it a pleasure to abuse the Hindu religion. They claimed to be "atheists", and were specialists in "throwing the baby with the bath water".

Times changed and in 1970s (and even today) lots of Keralites made money by leaving the state/country. Many became rich. They got tensed, and thus also became more religious. Most of them started visiting temples, and tried to follow the old religious practises. The attempt of communists to eradicate Hindu religious thoughts failed miserably. And to add insult to injury many of the "communist" Brahmins have now gone back to the old religious stuff (with money being the motive factor). What is required in Kerala are more Gurus (who need not be - or should never be Brahmins) who can guide the Hindu society on spiritual lines. Communism in KL today is like a mafia; expecting them to improve any thing in Kerala society is like asking for the moon.

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Post by Indrad » Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:34 pm

dave fadnavis govt got a man eater tiger killed ...Maneka Gandhi is claiming there is a peaceful hunter fadnavis hires every time

https://theprint.in/governance/trigger- ... re/144865/


Manekagandhibjp

Every time he has used Hyderabad-based shooter Shafat Ali Khan, and this time his son has also appeared in the scene illegally to murder the tigress.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by srikumar » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:31 pm

Sachin wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm
chetak wrote:There are some reports on SM that many Hindu commies are leaving the party because of the ill treatment to the devotees.
Yes, indeed.
if they had used their brains they would have seen the two-faced hypocrisy much earlier. It exists at several levels.and If they are going door to door asking women to go, these guys have nothing better to do with their time ....the stuff want to say to them is unprintable.


I did not post this earlier even though I wanted to but I expected the main resistance (not necessarily public on the street resistance but the biggest objections) to come from the Hindu women of Kerala. It is really a matter between them and their god (lord Ayyappa) and opinions from outsiders (SC, GOKL, Communists, police, Muslim activists, out of state Hindus who are not particularly followers of Ayyappa) would not have any weight on this. The SC ruled on their name without asking them what it meant to them. I wish some Hindu lady/ladies from Kerala would write an opinion on this. There could be multiple possibilities. This was done on their name.

You mentioned that some brahmins or priests are going back to the old religious ways. Could you expand on this. I am trying to see where is this new source of money (other than a public, popular swamy type situation like acharya Rajneesh).

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by srikumar » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:42 pm

1. This sabari malai event shows what happens when Hindus become a minority. There was no consultation even, for this judgment, with the party affected the most. Their voice was not even heard.

2. Paradoxically, I was expecting the Muslims in Kerala to support the Hindus here. It is a golden opportunity for them to tell the govt to stay out of religion. But they are silent too. Odd.

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Post by JohnTitor » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:16 am

srikumar wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:42 pm
1. This sabari malai event shows what happens when Hindus become a minority. There was no consultation even, for this judgment, with the party affected the most. Their voice was not even heard.
It's good in a way. A wake up call. But I suspect Hindus have become so domesticated that even now, their behaviour and attitudes won't change. Hindus will become minorities in their own country and its absolutely their own fault.

In their quest for material wealth, they have abandoned their dharma and have been aping the west. How many Hindus know their scriptures or their rituals? How many are true to the ancient culture? How many donate a fixed amount every month to Hindu causes? (And I don't mean that 100rs in the hundi, the Jews and Muslims donate a percentage of their earnings each month. Meanwhile we suck on our thumbs and wait for the government to do everything). You cannot abdicate your duties and then expect sympathy when the wheels of time turn against you.
2. Paradoxically, I was expecting the Muslims in Kerala to support the Hindus here. It is a golden opportunity for them to tell the govt to stay out of religion. But they are silent too. Odd.
Curious. Why would they support Hindus? History has shown both rollers and ropers to be hypocrites. Why would that change suddenly. Yes they don't want interference in religion, but only theirs.

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Post by abhijit » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:34 am

la.khan wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:31 pm
Yes, true! Another one is getting made in Mumbai and hopefully will be unveiled in 4-5 years time. I believe Chattrapati Shivaji's statue will be taller than SVP's. We need these to take on BIF t*rds. Any idea who is executing it? L&T? I hope it is with the private sector.
It is L&T. And it is going to be India's answer to island reclamation technology (similar to what china is doing in south china sea).

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Post by JohnTitor » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:42 am

abhijit wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:34 am
la.khan wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:31 pm
Yes, true! Another one is getting made in Mumbai and hopefully will be unveiled in 4-5 years time. I believe Chattrapati Shivaji's statue will be taller than SVP's. We need these to take on BIF t*rds. Any idea who is executing it? L&T? I hope it is with the private sector.
It is L&T. And it is going to be India's answer to island reclamation technology (similar to what china is doing in south china sea).
Please elaborate. Aren't these built on land, on the shore? Is there something else happening silently?

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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:49 am

look at this dishonest article in the morally bankrupt corrupt and the fraudulent UK based Daily Mail newspaper.

typifies all that the hypocritical british thugs have stood for over the centuries, as a country, as a people and as a culture.

This is penis envy by a third rate pitiful ex empire where the sun will never rise, ever again.

The title itself is not only misleading but is seen as an attempt to downplay the achievement of India, once Britain's colony which it lived off, so pompously for over 200 years when it suited their moral conscience



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That's rich! We gave £1billion aid to India as they built £330million statue




That's rich! We gave £1billion aid to India as they built £330million statue

Britain gave more than £1billion to India as it was built the world's tallest statue
The Statue of Unity is almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in the US
The 597ft giant bronze monument has been condemned as a vanity project


By SAM GREENHILL CHIEF REPORTER FOR THE DAILY MAIL
3 November 2018


Britain donated more than £1billion to India in the years when it was lavishing a fortune on building the world’s tallest statue, figures show.

The colossal bronze memorial – almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in New York – was immediately condemned as an expensive vanity project when it was unveiled on Wednesday.

In the 56 months it took to construct the £330million Statue of Unity, UK taxpayers gave India £1.17billion in foreign aid, according to official figures.

India’s prime minister Narendra Modi attended the statue’s opening ceremony amid great fanfare. It stands on a bend of the Narmada river in Gujarat, Mr Modi’s home state.

He was chief minister of Gujarat when the vast statue was commissioned.

The engineering project started in 2012, when British taxpayers donated almost £300million to India.
In 2013 a further £268million was given, in 2014 the figure was £278million and in 2015 it was £185million, followed by smaller amounts after that.

As the cash rolled in from Britain, the Indian authorities poured billions of rupees into building the 597ft tall bronze likeness of Sardar Patel, one of the heroes of India’s independence movement.

Last night Tory MP Peter Bone said: ‘To take £1.1billion in aid from us and then at the same time spend £330million on a statue is a total nonsense and it is the sort of thing that drives people mad.


‘What it proves is that we should not be giving money to India. It is up to them how they spend their money but if they can afford this statue, then it is clearly a country we should not need to be giving aid to.’

The British aid money was spent on projects ranging from improving women’s rights to funding solar panels and investment in low-carbon transport. Some £14,000 of the cash was spent in Gujarat in 2014, when the statue’s foundations were being laid, to ‘increase religious tolerance among young people’.

The colossal bronze memorial ¿ almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in New York ¿ was immediately condemned as an expensive vanity project when it was unveiled

India¿s prime minister Narendra Modi (pictured) attended the statue¿s opening ceremony amid great fanfare. It stands on a bend of the Narmada river in Gujarat, Mr Modi¿s home state


India is the world’s fastest-growing economy, has sent a mission to Mars, boasts more billionaires than the UK and itself hands out millions to needy nations. It currently gives more foreign aid than it receives despite its problems with disease and healthcare.

The British aid money did not go directly to building the statue but was spent funding projects that India could have afforded had it not been pouring cash into the 2,000-tonne memorial.

The Statue of Unity took 3,500 workers four years to construct and the project involved a land-grab affecting 72 nearby villages, forcing thousands out of their homes, according to tribal chiefs.

Indian air force jets flew over the giant figure on Wednesday and clouds of rose petals were dropped from helicopters as Mr Modi officially opened what he described as ‘a symbol of our engineering and technical prowess’.

Helicopters release flowers during the inauguration of the Statue of Unity portraying Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, one of the founding fathers of India

His address was widely seen as the unofficial launch of his re-election campaign.

In 2012, Britain’s then aid minister Andrew Mitchell announced the main aid programme to India would end after 2015. Yet last year £92.6million was spent by Whitehall officials on projects there.

UK-funded schemes included £86,616 on testing whether yoga helps people who have had heart attacks and £100,000 on bringing women scientists from India to visit Cambridge University.

The Department for International Development said it ended ‘traditional aid’ to India in 2015 but is still funding projects that boost the country’s economy and help tackle climate change.

A spokesman added: ‘The UK now provides world-leading expertise and private investment – while generating a return for the UK – to boost prosperity, create jobs and open up markets, which is firmly in our interests.’


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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:12 am

twitter

#SaveSabarimalaTradition Very clear message from Pandalam Palace. Tantri is the authority to decide whether the temple should be closed or not. First time in the history when this kind of Police siege is seen in #Sabarimala which is very painful./b]


https://twitter.com/surnell/status/1059126435833622528

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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:35 am

Fog disrupts rail, road and airline traffic in dilli during the fog season. This has a ripple effect on trade, commerce, tourism and health issues leading to loss of income as well as a considerable slowdown in economic activity.

If true, why should the disruptive law not be repealed ASAP??

What is the NGT doing?? or is one single US company monsanto so powerful that none in India dare to oppose it??



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Delay in paddy cultivation hence the harvest&subsequent stubble burning to Oct-Nov when the monsoonal wind direction reverses, causes the smoke to arrive from the north& into Delhi choking its inhabitants: all because of Punjab govt's policy to benefit Monsanto post 2009! #Diwali
Law aiding Monsanto is reason for Delhi’s annual smoke season





Monsanto’s profits, not Diwali, creating smoke in Delhi

Arvind Kumar
November 3, 2018,

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Tweet by Dr Hiren Jethva, an aerosol remote sensing scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

In December 2017, this newspaper exposed in an article entitled “Law aiding Monsanto is reason for Delhi’s smoke season” how a law to help Monsanto was the reason for the Delhi metropolitan region being blanketed in smoke every November. That law, the Punjab Preservation of Subsoil Water Act of 2009, imposed a delay on farmers who wanted to plant rice. The delay in planting in turn created a delay in harvesting and clearing the land. Farmers burned their land to clear their field and the delay in this process meant that the smoke would now travel all the way to Delhi, which was not the case in earlier decades. Instead of targeting Hindu festivals like Diwali and banning fireworks during the festival, the government and the courts need to get to the real reason and fix it.

The reason for the smoke travelling to Delhi being a recent phenomenon is that the direction of the wind during the monsoon season blows primarily from the west into Delhi but changes in the second half of October and starts blowing from the north. When farmers burned their fields in September in earlier decades, it did not affect the Delhi region, but started impacting the capital after farmers were forced to accept the delay imposed on them.

When The Sunday Guardian published the article, Dr Hiren Jethva, an aerosol remote sensing scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, sent out a tweet (see image) saying, “Now I understand why satellites detect more fires in November post-2009 over Punjab.” When contacted, Dr Jethva added, “I would like to add here that the seasonal shift in peak crop fires had occurred prior during 2006-2009 in comparison to 2002-2005, as shown by the satellite data. Although Monsanto law became effective in 2009, I doubt that the delay in setting fires which already began in previous year was a reflection of the upcoming law. The seasonal shift post-2009 continued in the wake of the Monsanto law in conjunction with the increasing crop production, hence residue burning, making the air quality even worse during the last and first week of Oct and Nov.”

Dr Jethva’s message made me look for any policy changes that occurred between 2006 and 2009. It turns out that the process of applying pressure on farmers to delay planting paddy began in 2007. The proposal for a law mandating the delay was first proposed in 2006. Then, in 2007, Punjab Agriculture Minister Sucha Singh Langa stated that the Agriculture Department had been persuading farmers to delay sowing paddy and stated his goal of reducing the area of cultivation of paddy from 26.50 lakh hectares to 25.00 lakh hectares during the year, while increasing the acreage of cotton from 6.07 lakh hectares to 6.50 lakh hectares. The minister also stated that he had directed that Bt Cotton seeds be supplied to farmers at a rate fixed by the government.

The sale of Bt Cotton meant that the primary beneficiary would be the mega-corporation Monsanto, which seeks to control the world’s food supply. The push for Punjab’s law came from another source, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which has acted as a shill for Monsanto around the world. Then, in 2008, before the legislature acted, the Punjab government issued a government notification imposing a delay on the planting of rice. The government’s actions in 2007 and 2008 explain Dr Jethva’s observations of the satellite data.

After the previous article was published, both the Chief Ministers of Delhi and Punjab were contacted with the information about the delay in planting rice causing the phenomenon of Delhi being enveloped in smoke. While there was silence from the Punjab Chief Minister, the Delhi government responded with an initial flurry of emails delegating the task of following up on the issue, but there has been no action on their part since then. In comparison to the quantity of smoke that envelops Delhi due to Monsanto, the amount of smoke from fireworks during Diwali and other festivals is insignificant. The festivals never resulted in the entire region being covered by smoke. The courts should stop shifting the blame from the real perpetrators of the act to innocent people.

At this point, the people of Delhi have two choices. They could either take to the streets and march against Monsanto and evict the corporation from India and restore the previous cropping pattern, or they can wait to get suffocated when Delhi once again becomes a gas chamber this year.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by vishvak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:25 am

Curious. Why would they support Hindus? History has shown both rollers and ropers to be hypocrites. Why would that change suddenly. Yes they don't want interference in religion, but only theirs.
Sir, the idea of interference has gone out of proportions long back it seems if even after all this we still wonder about it. Do you know what activists are supposed to do? Mahatma Gandhi used to do bhajans every morning itself in his ashram. The current set of activists aren't any Gandhian it looks like. They never asked why was the fancy lady activist kicked out from muslim religion for example.

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Post by Sachin » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:09 am

srikumar wrote:I did not post this earlier even though I wanted to but I expected the main resistance (not necessarily public on the street resistance but the biggest objections) to come from the Hindu women of Kerala.
And the women of Kerala have met your expectations :). But being women, you may not them in large numbers protesting on the streets (like how the Commie goons go about protesting). But there was a sizeable women presence in the prayer meetings etc. There were also a sizeable presence of women near the Nilakkal area when the temple opened last time. This was even reported by the IB, in their warning to the state government. And it is also with their tacit support that men folk are now also hitting the streets with their protest.
You mentioned that some brahmins or priests are going back to the old religious ways. Could you expand on this. I am trying to see where is this new source of money (other than a public, popular swamy type situation like acharya Rajneesh).
In Kerala of the 1930s and 1940s etc, it was only the poorest of poor Brahmins who actually "worked" as priests. Many Brahmin families who were also rich land lords did worship and do poojas etc, but that just a part of observing the rituals. The Brahmins who "worked" as priests were never paid well and only did the job to eke out a living. It was such an existence which forced people like V.T Bhattathiripad to actually take up communist ideology big time. And many brahmins took into "modern education" and started hating their own religion (which for them caused only miseries and kept them backward). So during the 1950s, 1960s and till 1970s many of the Brahmins became total communists, and many of them openly talking bad about Hindu religion, temple worship etc. With modern education many of them also got jobs in other areas, and with that safety net they could continue to spew venom on Hinduism (as a religion). This was also the case with other communities as well. Their religion offered no solace of benefit to them, while communism promised them the Utopia.

After 1970s lots of changes started happening. The Gelf boom brought in propserity to the state. The stress & tension made people more religious (or even superstitious). Temples were not cash-starved any more. Every village now wanted to revive the small temple, and NRK Hindus were more than willing to donate money if that was also properly show-cased ;). And temples also required Brahmin priests, and many also were willing to give them a decent pay. Poojas & Homams became more popular in Hindu households. Brahmin priests also got some good amount as dakshinas. With the reservation scheme in place many Brahmin youth were finding it tough to get government jobs etc; they all turned to the next available avenue. What was that? The same "job" which their father & grand father's generation loathed so much.

JohnTitor wrote:In their quest for material wealth, they have abandoned their dharma and have been aping the west. How many Hindus know their scriptures or their rituals? How many are true to the ancient culture? How many donate a fixed amount every month to Hindu causes?
This may be OT for the thread, but you have brought in a very valid point. Hinduism is now reduced to rituals and often a chance to flaunt the wealth as well. Even in Kerala today, Sabari Mala issue has made many Hindus sit up and think. For many a temple was a place to organise a grand festival once a year, spend lakhs to light up fire works and spend even more lakhs to parade the maximum number of elephants. A temple was no more a place to understand one's own religion, understand more of dharma or culture. Perhaps Sabari Mala issue may prompt many of the people to "go back to the basics".

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:14 am

la.khan wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:31 pm
chetak wrote:
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Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:26 am


Not a fan of people worshipping, but that statue looks amazing. Thank heavens pappu family didn't make one of grand pa pappu
we need our own nationalist icons.

Very important for our identity which is being slyly and continuously eroded by BIF forces.

High time we took charge of our own narrative.
Yes, true! Another one is getting made in Mumbai and hopefully will be unveiled in 4-5 years time. I believe Chattrapati Shivaji's statue will be taller than SVP's. We need these to take on BIF t*rds. Any idea who is executing it? L&T? I hope it is with the private sector.

Watch the video, It explains the identity thing .

The desi politicians get this concept much more clearly than the deracinated and dhimmified maculay putras, educated the britshit sickular way and conditioned to regurgitate the socially acceptable and lootyens palatable house nigger talk and attitudes, cultural traitors, fashionably brought up on convent served, intellect sapping coolaid and false cultural constructs cleverly inserted deep into their shallow mindsets.

#WATCH UP CM Yogi Adityanath justifies name change of Allahabad to Prayagraj; says, "log keh rahe hain kyun naam badal diya, naam se kya hota hai? Maine kaha tumhare maa-baap ne tumhara naam Ravan aur Duryodhan kyun nahi rakh diya?"


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“Log keh rahe hain kyun naam badal diya, naam se kya hota hai? Maine kaha tumhare maa-baap ne tumhara naam Ravan aur Duryodhan kyun nahi rakh diya? (Critics are questioning about the purpose of restoring the names of cities. I am telling you to ask your parents on why they did not name you Ravan or Duryodhan”, Yogi Adityanath responded.


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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by chetak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:46 am

Anjali George @Kuvalayamala

Who pays for the police bandobast in Sabarimala?

Hindus.

Travancore Devaswom board has to pay for the police.

From where they get money?

Hundi

So in this secular Democrazy, Hindus pay for the police brutality on them by the Secular govt which is hellbent to desecrate temple

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by ricky » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:10 am

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/south-k ... up-1942790
NEW DELHI: South Korean First Lady Kim Jung-sook arrived in New Delhi on Sunday for a four-day visit during which she will participate in Diwali festivities and ceremony involving a memorial for a Korean queen in Ayodhya.
According to Korean legend, Princess Suriratna from Ayodhya had travelled to Korea, married a king some 2000 years ago.

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