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Post by Sachin » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:04 am

Karnataka government turns Tipu fete into a fiasco
"Tippu Jayanthi" was the biggest comedy of this year :lol: . No public rallies were to be carried out euologising Tippu. Even posters of him were not allowed to be put up. The Jayanthi celebrations were carried out in closed premises with heavy police bandobust. State's Chief Minister and his deputy did not even bother to attend the event. Even the Home Minister gave it a miss. This useless Jayanthi celeberations was started few years ago by Siddaramiah to woo the Muslim vote bank, and the whole rallies etc. were becoming a show of strength of peacefool gangs like SDPI,PFI etc. This year around, they have all been cut down to size.

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Post by chetak » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:50 am

irfan habib like romilla thapar is smoking some really good quality stuff.

These entitled commie/congi nurtured urban naxal mofos think no end of themselves.

They are back to their distorian and disruptive ways, ram guha included.

Too bad. SM is very unforgiving.



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Post by SSundar » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:41 pm

chetak wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:50 am
Too bad. SM is very unforgiving.
Real life is more unforgiving that SM, unfortunately. These Distortians have hounded TrueIndology out of Twitter by going after him to disclose his true identity.

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Post by shravanp » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:23 am

Moving story about Ananth Kumar


The minister says he implemented the scheme, as he phrases it, "at the rate of Modi Speed"

In nearly four years of the Narendra Modi government, the Union Ministry of Chemicals and Fertilisers, led by Ananth Kumar, claims to have contributed significantly to meet the three objectives closest to the PM’s heart — improving farm incomes, universal healthcare, and imparting skill development and creating jobs.

Of the three, Kumar has worked assiduously to expand the interestingly-named Prime Minister Bhartiya Jan Aushadhi Yojana (PMBJP). It involves a painful memory from Kumar’s life, which he says motivates him, but also moves him to tears as he reminisces about it.

The scheme was started by the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) in 2011, and involved opening drug stores to sell generic medicines below the market price. By 2014, 99 such stores were opened, and these sold nearly 400 generic drugs. “I took it up as a mission to expand the network,” the 58-year-old minister says.

Kumar’s father was a second-division clerk in Indian Railways, and the minister grew up in the railway workers’ colony in Hubli, Karnataka. “My father was the sole breadwinner, and while I was still young, my mother was diagnosed with cancer,” the minister says. The doctor prescribed her two tablets daily of Nolvadex.

Each tablet was priced at Rs 20 then, Kumar says. “My father earned Rs 1,200 a month. A month’s dose of the medicine also cost nearly that. The choice with my father was whether to give my mother two tablets a day, which would leave little money for the family to buy food, or one tablet,” the minister says.


Kumar was on the verge of tears as he recalled the episode. Kumar’s father did what he thought was best for the family, which meant only one tablet a day for his wife. “The memory of how my mother suffered because the medicine was expensive motivated me to expand the PMBJP network,” Kumar says.

The minister and his wife run Adamya Chetana, projects to provide mid-day meals to schoolchildren and the poor under the auspices of Girija Shastry Memorial Trust, set up in memory of his mother.

more: https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 069_1.html

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Post by crams » Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:25 am

I was shocked to learn of Anant Kumar's untimely death. Having followed him, was a fan of his, and what a stalwart to lose, and I have been depressed since yesterday. Did not even know he was suffering from lung cancer. Very sad. ModiJi was truly humble in the manner in which he visited his family, paid tributes etc.

Among other things that worry me about BJP is the health of key people. Parrikar is also very sick, hope others are in control of their heath. We need BJP for another 15+ years minimum at the helm to, using an Abrahamic phraseology, 'save India'.

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Post by chetak » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:31 am

crams wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:25 am
I was shocked to learn of Anant Kumar's untimely death. Having followed him, was a fan of his, and what a stalwart to lose, and I have been depressed since yesterday. Did not even know he was suffering from lung cancer. Very sad. ModiJi was truly humble in the manner in which he visited his family, paid tributes etc.

Among other things that worry me about BJP is the health of key people. Parrikar is also very sick, hope others are in control of their heath. We need BJP for another 15+ years minimum at the helm to, using an Abrahamic phraseology, 'save India'.

The confusion in the KAR BJP is mainly due to the subversive actions of a few people who nurtured unrealizable CM ambitions using their D4 clout and dilli connections.

Personal aggrandizement at the cost of the party and ideology, undercutting the efforts of others, sabotaging the growth of the party and sordid political machinations are the bane of this party and its local leaders which is even today faction and caste ridden despite the best efforts of Modi and shah. This is especially true in both KAR and UP.

Yeduriappa was mercilessly pilloried, intentionally stampeded and his political inexperience was mercilessly exploited to ensure that he stumbled by the very same people who were supposed to help him consolidate the BJP's position in KAR.

Hope that they do not pay the fatal price in 2019.

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Post by chetak » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:48 am

So are non Hindus now claiming to have become idol worshipers or the commies and urban naxals claiming that xtians and muslims can also be idol worshippers under special circumstances??

Wonder what their desert books have to say about such unadulterated blasphemy??



Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt


Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt

Kerala government has submitted an affidavit responding to a petition seeking to restrict entry into Sabarimala only for Hindu devotees

NOVEMBER 12, 2018



Continuing its anti-Hindu stand in the Sabarimala temple controversy, the Kerala state government has said that Hindus don’t have exclusive right over the temple. The Left government says that Muslims and Christians also have to be consulted in the matter of Sabarimala temple.

On 12th October, the Kerala government submitted an affidavit responding to a petition filed at Kerala High Court. Lawyer T G Mohandas had filed the petition seeking regulation of non-Hindu and non-idol worshipers into the shrine of Lord Ayyappa.

In September this year, the Supreme Court had allowed women of all ages to enter the shrine. After that, several women of different religions, and self-declared atheists had tried to enter the temple. The petition was filed in response to such attempts.

Responding to this affidavit, Kerala government has stated that Sabarimala is a secular temple. It also says that religion can’t be a basis for restriction of entry of devotees.

The affidavit tries to bring some new facts to establish secular credential of Sabarimala temple. It mentions that KJ Yesudas has sung the Harivarasanam song played at the temple. KJ Yesudas is Christian by birth and a Sabarimala devotee, it adds. It says that several Christians and Muslims are Sabarimala Ayyappa devotees. They conduct Sabarimala pilgrimage every year.

The state government adds that it is a ‘debatable fact’ that temple was a worship place for tribals. It also says that there is a belief that it was a Buddhist temple. The word Saranam is derived from Buddhism, it adds. The affidavit also tries to establish that the Shrine has links with Vavar Mosque.


Before taking any decision on the petition, the Wakf Board, Muslim Organisations, Vavar Trust, Christian Organisations, tribal organisations must be consulted, says the affidavit. It says that larger public interest and secular issues are involved in the matter. Hence the court can’t adjudicate the matter without publication in newspapers.

In an earlier hearing of the petition, the Kerala High Court had said that Sabarimala belongs to all, not just Hindus.

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Post by vishvak » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:40 am

Now the effects of need to be grandiose about secularism are showing up. How are many exclusivist religions secular, especially together at and around temples of other's religions, is something that we have not pondered too much. It is one thing to talk to tribals and budhdhists, but how come the Chinese excluded? Chinese are also exclusivists, and call themselves secular also, while going about the plans of global domination (Chinese century).

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Post by hanumadu » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:35 am

5Forty3.com analysis of first phase of chattisgarh.
Dr Praveen Patil @5Forty3

Reading the first true signs from the ground of a possible saffron tsunami in 2019

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Post by srikumar » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:22 am

^^^ Reminds me of his similar predictions before the Karnataka state elections.

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Post by srikumar » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:48 am

chetak wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:48 am
So are non Hindus now claiming to have become idol worshipers or the commies and urban naxals claiming that xtians and muslims can also be idol worshippers under special circumstances??

Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt

Sabarimala temple is ‘secular’, must consult Wakf Board and Christian organisations before any decision, says Kerala govt
They say Truth is stranger than fiction. One can also say 'Reality is funniest form of comedy'. The above clearly falls in the absolutely comic category. It is wrong on so many levels:

1 Will the Waqf board and the church be OK with Kanchi Kamakoti deciding who can go into their houses of worship and how worship is conducted.

2 Both the Waqf Board and other Christian organizations are silent on this. They should come out with clear rebuttals against the stance of the KL govt., otherwise their silence can and should be read as their being complicit in this decision. And if their names are mentioned in the legal affidavit, then they are complicit. Thus MUST and immediately put out a public repudiation, for the sake of secularism.

3 What planet is the KL govt living on? How insulated are they from reality? How can a Hindu temple be secular!!! By that logic, Jama Masjid in Delhi is secular. And, Mecca's kaaba should be secular as well. Reality is that (as I understand it) non-Muslims are not even allowed into the city of Mecca.

From the outside (of KL), it feels like KL Hindus are under seige from their own govt. I dont know if the KL Hindus feel this way.

Many of them having drunk the commuist kool-aid and their intelligent arguments are only now beginning to see their stupidity. BRF has this down a decade ago. There are a lot of secular Hindus in the rest of the country. KL is a case in point of what happens when Hindus become a minority in their own state (with or without communist govt.). In fact, the CPI govt. has shown their true colors publicly for even a dumbo to see the light. One does not have to read between the lines any more. And for this, I thank the P. Vijayan govt.

Added later: The good Dr. K.J. Jesudas' name has also been unfortunately dragged into this and used for political purposes, and clearly not his doing. The communists have cleverly exploited a grey area, and this will be to the detriment of secularism in the future. Whether he likes it or not, he is being used politically. I am no one to tell him his business, but unfortunately, the same logic applies. If he does not want his name to be used in this manner or disagrees with the govt's position, he should give some tiny, public indication of it.

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Post by hanumadu » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:48 am

srikumar wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:22 am
^^^ Reminds me of his similar predictions before the Karnataka state elections.
One key difference. He gave BJP a majority before the polls. He was skeptical after polling was complete.
Here he is bullish on BJP after polling day, at least for the first phase.

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Post by Aditya_V » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:19 am

Frankly, I doubt any pollster unless he has army of people costing a fortune can predict the election results, and B) even if someone has such an army and spent a fortune they would not give away information for free.

So we have no real choice but twiddle our thumbs and wait for results to be announced.

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Post by fanne » Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:20 pm

Guys, you can do better than that. The real truth is the final verdict 9as in life it is death). But we all model to see what is out there. Have you listened to his half hour analysis. He is not using just surveys (which I don't like, even yogender Yadav only uses 20% survey and 80% of his gyan, which results in verdict that BJP will loose. He is only right when BJP really looses). If you see, almost all surveys - opinion poll or exit polls are wrong (definitely at the micro level, some are ok at the macro level, but getting 1% error at nation level is as good as being 100% wrong). Over time he has seen and learned and using all sophisticated ways to predict election. That when perhaps elections (patterns and methods) themselves are changing massively now every 5 years - Technology, SM, TV, Young but immature people, more English penetration, more pushback, victimization of Hindutava (where people are either in your face, or subtle or have totally given up), same with other communities.....you are trying to hit a moving target.

Either then you look at surveys, or do not look. If you look - be in witness state, take what is needed, reject that does not past muster 'logic and sense', be unattached. His is really good. Is it right - I don't no, maybe yes, maybe no. But sure it smells better than CSDS,TIMESNOW - where there chief data guys says why the margin of error should be even 2%, why would people lie? Idiot, margin of error has nothing to do with lying, if everyone told the truth (and that is the assumption, everyone does), then because of sampling size and population what is the error probabilities.

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Post by bharotshontan » Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:03 pm

It is very absurd trying to use the logic that various deities may have Christian or Muslim devotees. How can one be a Christian/Muslim if they are being devotees of Hindu Devatas and Devis? Just a European or Arabic name at birth? We need to use this grey area to our advantage and explicitly "ghar wapsi" said Abrahamic devotees so that in future they and their kin don't contribute to this grey area that is currently being exploited as a way to generate centrifugal forces out of Hinduism.

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Post by Supratik » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:06 pm

Looks like PP has switched to post-poll analysis at 5forty3.

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Post by crams » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:15 pm

Guys, lets not forget one wild card that could, and I am saying could, affect the dynamics of the upcoming state and 2019 general elections.

At the moment, Rafale is at best Lutyen mafia obsession whose case has been taken up traitors like Prashant Bhsushan and sore losers like Arun Shourie. All of these gangsters went on overdrive discrediting Dassault CEO trashing their lies in an ANI interview.

So all eyes now on Supreme court. If SC turns out to be a Pappu court, which I have an inkling it will, and even if finds no evidence of an wrong doing by BJP govt, but throws a few dog bones as Pappu by sowing further seeds of doubt, that would be enough for Pappu going to go town crying hoarse. And it might just capture public attention.

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Post by Aditya_V » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:53 am

Rafale will have no impact on elections. If national security was an issue INC will get 0 seats. Petrol/ Diesel prices loan interest PM medical scheme impact and farm incomes will be the biggest player

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Post by chetak » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:07 am

bharotshontan wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:03 pm
It is very absurd trying to use the logic that various deities may have Christian or Muslim devotees. How can one be a Christian/Muslim if they are being devotees of Hindu Devatas and Devis? Just a European or Arabic name at birth? We need to use this grey area to our advantage and explicitly "ghar wapsi" said Abrahamic devotees so that in future they and their kin don't contribute to this grey area that is currently being exploited as a way to generate centrifugal forces out of Hinduism.
Why blame the courts??

They have only seen the golden opportunity and have taken it to exploit as they will.

This is what the BIF will do because historically and civilizationally we have never protected ourselves. We have always been more dhimmi by constantly justifying an enemy's point of view.

We have done this to ourselves by the drinking of all that bleddy sickular cool aid and I suspect that we have succeeded in fooling only ourselves.

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Post by chetak » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:07 am

Towering resentment: Why the British are sulking over the Statue of Unity


Towering resentment: Why the British are sulking over the Statue of Unity


India’s relentless rise back to prosperity comes at a time when Britain is in steep decline and poverty and hunger are common there. While India doles out more than $6 billion in aid (including a generous multi-million pound sterling grant to Cambridge University), London’s arc of influence is shrinking.

Rakesh Krishnan Simha @ByRakeshSimha
13-11-2018

It is peculiar that when something good comes out of India, sections of British society start carping about India’s poverty. No other country is as obsessed with India’s poor as Britain (although it is a notable subculture in the media of other countries of the Anglosphere).

In 2008, when an Indian spacecraft discovered water on the moon, the British media was aghast that India was wasting its resources on such high-tech gimmicks while it has millions (sorry, hundreds of millions) of poor people.

A year later when India launched its first nuclear submarine, the British questioned India’s need for such expensive weapons when according to the Brits more than 800 million people survived on $2 a day.

The lament is always the same: Why is Britain giving aid to a country that spends so much on its military and ‘vanity’ projects?

Indians have heard that old record repeatedly and they are tired of it. But not the British – they are raking it up again in the backdrop of the inauguration of the Statue of Unity in Gujarat.

In a tizzy over Patel
Barely had the cheers erupted across India when the world’s tallest statue was unveiled that the British media went after it. According to the Daily Mail, (1) Britain donated more than £1billion to India in the years when New Delhi was “lavishing a fortune on building the world’s tallest statue”. The colossal bronze memorial – almost twice the height of the Statue of Liberty in New York – was “immediately condemned as an expensive vanity project”.

The newspaper continues: “In the 56 months it took to construct the £330million Statue of Unity, UK taxpayers gave India £1.17billion in foreign aid, according to official figures….The engineering project started in 2012, when British taxpayers donated almost £300 million to India. In 2013 a further £268 million was given, in 2014 the figure was £278 million and in 2015 it was £185 million, followed by smaller amounts after that. As the cash rolled in from Britain, the Indian authorities poured billions of rupees into building the 597 feet tall bronze likeness of Sardar Patel, one of the heroes of India’s independence movement.”

Big-ticket Indian defence and aerospace projects invariably draw petulant comments in Britain, partly because the British once enjoyed a leadership position in these fields whereas today it is forced to watch from the sidelines as India, China and South Korea reach for the stars. The Mail says the Indian government is planning to spend millions on a lunar probe called Chandrayaan-2 – despite “230 million Indians living in poverty”. (2)

Tory MP Peter Bone added his two bits: “To take £1.1billion in aid from us and then at the same time spend £330million on a statue is a total nonsense and it is the sort of thing that drives people mad.”

Big Ben and Victorian poverty
The British – and their liberal slaves in India – should know that India is not Somalia or the Philippines that cannot afford to build memorials to its great heroes. India is a leading economy and has enough money for development projects and buildings that inspire people. Sardar Vallabhai Patel was the most important Indian leader of the previous century; without him the British and Indian Muslims – with no small help from Gandhi and Nehru – would have balkanised India. More such statues of unifiers such as Shivaji, Rana Pratap, Rana Kumbha, Raja Raja Chola, Rajendra Chola and Harshavardhana should be built across the country.

That brings us to monumental projects that other nations have undertaken. Take London’s Big Ben – one of the world’s most iconic clock towers. The 159-feet structure was planned in 1844 and completed in 1859. Was London a modern city back then? On the contrary, the living conditions of the vast majority of people in the metropolis were appalling.


In his book The Victorian Underworld, Kellow Chesney gives a graphic description of the conditions in which many Londoners were living: “Hideous slums, some of them acres wide, some no more than crannies of obscure misery, make up a substantial part of the, metropolis … In big, once handsome houses, thirty or more people of all ages may inhabit a single room.” (3)

Great wealth and extreme poverty lived side by side because the tenements, slums, rookeries were only a stone’s throw from the large elegant houses of the rich. In 1849, Henry Mayhew, an investigative journalist for the Morning Chronicle, described a London Street with a tidal ditch running through it, into which drains and sewers emptied. The ditch contained the only water the people in the street had to drink, and it was “the colour of strong green tea”, in fact it was “more like watery mud than muddy water”.

This is the report Mayhew gave: “As we gazed in horror at it, we saw drains and sewers emptying their filthy contents into it; we saw a whole tier of doorless privies in the open road, common to men and women built over it; we heard bucket after bucket of filth splash into it.” (3)

Many women took to prostitution because the alternatives were so grim. Entire streets in the slums of London were inhabited by prostitutes. Many girls viewed a few years ‘on the game’ as a sensible way to build up a little capital to invest in a small business later, but their future was often cut short by sexually transmitted diseases. (4)

Children as well as adults
In her book The Victorian Town Child, Pamela Horn writes: “In 1848 Lord Ashley referred to more than 30,000 naked, filthy, roaming lawless and deserted children in and around the metropolis.”

You get the picture – the Victorian Era, which evokes much nostalgia among Britons, was a dystopian nightmare but it also gave London some of its most famous monuments. Compared with London of the 1850s, Gujarat is a prosperous state with a dynamic economy. So to say that India shouldn’t build monuments of vanity is just churlish. Basically, what the British should say honestly is: “We are envious that you Indians can build so big.”

What’s bugging Britain?
After it was kicked out of India in 1947, Britain kept up the pretence that it is fascinated by India. Their view was that the British Raj – if you ignored its brutal aspects – was the glue that bonded both nations. They argued that for Britain, India is like the high school crush – you never quite forget your first love.

But in recent years that mask has slipped. As Indian companies started snapping up the crown jewels of British industry (Corus, Land Rover, Jaguar) the colonial aversion for Indians reappeared. It doesn’t matter that India is the second largest investor in the UK after Japan, generating tens of thousands of local jobs.

India’s relentless rise back to prosperity comes at a time when Britain is in steep decline and poverty and hunger are common there. While India doles out more than $6 billion in aid (including a generous multi-million pound sterling grant to Cambridge University), London’s arc of influence is shrinking. While the Royal Navy is to be scuttled to a littoral force of 19 ships, India is building a 270-ship navy. Last week, when the Royal Navy’s new aircraft carrier sailed into New York, Russia’s RT (5) questioned “whether Britain even needed any new aircraft carriers, considering that paying for them meant the navy couldn’t then afford to pay for enough sailors to actually sail them”.

Keep your peanuts
So how much is this aid that the British are getting so crabby about? Chew on this – a big fat £52 million ($67 million) that Indians should be grateful for. Just to keep things in perspective, British aid to India in 2018 is less than M.S. Dhoni’s net worth of $78 million. It’s the kind of cash Mukesh Ambani, the richest man in India, probably leaves as loose change in his office drawers.

The irony is that India doesn’t want the money. In fact, seven years ago former Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee and other Indian ministers had tried to terminate Britain’s aid – but relented after the British begged them to keep taking the money. In fact, Mukherjee famously mocked the UK’s contribution, saying: “We do not require the aid. It is a peanut in our total developmental expenditure.” (6)

Further, according to a leaked memo, senior Indian diplomat Nirupama Rao had proposed “not to avail of any further British assistance with effect from April 1, 2011” because of the “negative publicity of Indian poverty promoted by Britain’s DFID”. However, London requested Delhi to keep taking the money because cancelling the programme would cause “grave political embarrassment” to Britain.

Let that sink in – Britain wants to give aid to India not because India needs it, but because the British wish to continue with the pretence that they are a great power that continues to civilise brown people. You know, the “white man’s burden”.

Politics – and dangers – of aid
The British have good reasons to continue the DFID’s work in India. The nation of shopkeepers has little to offer India by way of trade, so aid acts as a useful toehold. According to Britain’s former Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell, the focus of British aid would be public-private partnerships rather than education or health. Translation: British aid is being diverted to schemes that sound uncannily like lobbying.

Anyway, appearing to care for the poor in India also does wonders for Britain’s self-esteem. Images of British citizens working amidst thin, unkempt children hawking stuff on the streets reinforces the widespread belief in Britain that colonialism was okay because Indians are unfit to govern themselves.

Another spinoff is that having British natives on the ground in India is handy when it comes to recruiting informers and spies. This isn’t as farfetched as it sounds. Employment in a nondescript NGO would be the perfect cover for British intelligence agents. Only someone incredibly naive would dispute that intelligence agencies routinely use such cover.

Also, at a time when Britain has become (in former French President Nicholas Sarkozy’s words) “an industrial wasteland”, such aid programmes keep scores of Britons employed.

Fundamentalist agenda
Amidst the volley of criticism, one of the few voices of support for aid to India comes from Christian Aid. This outfit has a vested interest in keeping the aid pipeline flowing smoothly. Christian Aid is part of a consortium that has managed a DFID programme directed at India’s backward classes and tribal communities that have traditionally been targeted for conversion by fundamentalist churches. The outfit, which has been operating in India for over 50 years, currently works in 16 states with 27 partners. (7)

Christian Aid, which unabashedly mixes evangelism and charity, is selling its own brand of salvation in India’s backward regions, potentially setting up future religious clashes between Hindus and newly converted Christians. Its agenda is very clear – the church-backed organisation is openly meddling in deep-rooted social conflicts. Instead of letting India’s various social groups sort out their issues amicably, agencies like Christian Aid are creating discord. The rise of Maoist guerrilla movements, backed by fundamentalist churches based in the Anglosphere, is just one example.


What about the poor?
Britain doesn’t have to be concerned about India’s poor because: one, it has plenty of its own to worry about. The Guardian’s Breadline Britain series (8) notes the combination of soaring living costs (particularly food and childcare), welfare cuts, and charges for previously free services (such as homework clubs) have put Britons under immense, and in some cases, almost intolerable pressure. People affected include the low-income mum who ate once a day and never on Saturdays to ensure that her kids got a decent meal, for example; and the indignity of “just coping” – more than one interviewee reported “people fighting for the discounted vegetables” in the supermarket.

And that’s not including the Peaceful Explosion – the massive increase in the number of Islamic fundamentalists who are invading white middle and lower class neighbourhoods, and the proliferation of child sex rings dominated by Pakistani immigrants.

Secondly, at least 30-40 million Indians are lifted out of poverty every year thanks to India’s growing economy. This is an unprecedented rate of poverty removal that is bettered only by China. It is in this backdrop that Britain – along with its Anglosphere allies the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and European sidekicks such as Norway, Germany and the Netherlands – continues to peddle the nonsense that India needs Western aid.

Poverty is being removed from India through the hard work of leaders like Prime Minister Narendra Modi who are creating jobs and brand new cities. However, the rising India story doesn’t fit the Western narrative of a poor country that cannot survive without external aid. Too bad, other than some Gunga Dins for hire, Indians are not buying that any more.

Some British politicians have pointed out the irony of British aid to India. When the statue frenzy hit the tabloids, Tory politician Philip Davies told the Express: “Here we are spending money in a country that has not only got its own space programme but is developing its own overseas aid programme….the public is not just sick and tired of this but angry too. It is completely unjustifiable and truly idiotic.”

Davies was echoing what his colleague Douglas Carswell had said when Mukherjee gave London the finger: “The fact is that India’s economy is growing much faster than our own. We should be encouraging free trade with them and trying to learn from them rather than handing out patronising lectures.”

Forget aid, get a life
Indeed, Britain is not in a position to moralise because it alone is responsible for India’s poverty. Britain’s rapacious colonialism turned India from the world’s richest country in the 1700s to one of the poorest by the time the British were kicked out in 1947. Within the span of 190 years, the British also killed at least 60 million Indians through wars, displacement of populations and artificially created famines.

Amaresh Misra, a writer and historian based in Mumbai, argues in his book War of Civilisations: India AD 1857 that after the First War of Independence in 1857, British reprisal killings (which he calls an “untold holocaust”) caused the deaths of almost 10 million people over the next 10 years.

English author Charles Dickens, whose bicentennial is being celebrated this year, said after the 1857 war: “I wish I were commander-in-chief in India…I should proclaim to them that I considered my holding that appointment by the leave of God, to mean that I should do my utmost to exterminate the race.”

And how can you forget the view of The Guardian, the liberal voice of Britain? “We sincerely hope that the terrible lesson thus taught will never be forgotten,” it wrote about the genocide.

And finally, Winston Churchill, who described Indians as a “beastly race”. He caused the deaths of nearly four million Indians in 1943-44 by diverting food from India to Europe. It is known as the Great Bengal Famine during which the daily calorie intake of Indians was lower than that of the Jews in Germany’s death camps.

Forget aid, what India needs from Britain is an apology.

Sources
Daily Mail, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tatue.html
Daily Mail, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... India.html
Poverty and Families in the Victorian Era, https://www.hiddenlives.org.uk/articles/poverty.html
The working classes and the poor, https://www.bl.uk/victorian-britain/art ... d-the-poor
Britain’s biggest warship parks off the US coast, looking just a little bit needy, https://www.rt.com/op-ed/442041-britain ... s-warship/
Typhoon in London over aid ‘peanuts’ Delhi doesn’t want, https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/ty ... cid/450268
Christian Aid. https://www.christianaid.org.uk/about-u ... work/india
The ‘despair’ and ‘loneliness’ of austerity Britain, https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ty-britain


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Today is Nehru's birthday. Nation will remember him for:

*Stopping army from expelling Pakistan in Kashmir.
*Giving 86% of Indus water to Pakistan.
*Rejecting UN Permanent Seat in China's favor.
*China 1962 - Picking fight with Beijing, then sending unprepared army into battle.

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Sardar Patel statue is 6 times taller than Christ the Redeemer in Brazil. Guess which statue Indian Christians are complaining about. #StatueOfUnity


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Post by vishvak » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:24 am

Guess whiners won't complain about statue of Liberty because US will kick their arse without gloves.
From wiki Brotherhood,
Libertas, along with other Roman goddesses, has served as the inspiration for many modern-day symbols, including the Statue of Liberty on Liberty Island in the United States.
Wonder why we keep onto inviting trouble, by keeping their phoren ka aid flowing, from those who are openly exclusive.

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Post by JohnTitor » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:43 am

The problem with Indian politic is the meek mentality that has been hammered in by Gandhi and Nehru. Throughout history, it is those nations that stand up for themselves and put their interests first that go on to be great powers.

At the international stage, there is no right or wrong, no fair and unfair. Just who has the bigger stick. India needs to shed it's meekness and punch at it's own weight if not more. Even China has started to accept that fact. No-one cares for goody-two-shoes behaviour, and it's certainly not rewarded. We didn't get anything for returning territory to Pakistan our soldiers died for, and China didn't reward us with a UNSC seat we threw away.

Why is India accepting aid just to pacify British need to feel superior? Shameful on India's part

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JohnTitor wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:43 am
The problem with Indian politic is the meek mentality that has been hammered in by Gandhi and Nehru. Throughout history, it is those nations that stand up for themselves and put their interests first that go on to be great powers.

At the international stage, there is no right or wrong, no fair and unfair. Just who has the bigger stick. India needs to shed it's meekness and punch at it's own weight if not more. Even China has started to accept that fact. No-one cares for goody-two-shoes behaviour, and it's certainly not rewarded. We didn't get anything for returning territory to Pakistan our soldiers died for, and China didn't reward us with a UNSC seat we threw away.

Why is India accepting aid just to pacify British need to feel superior? Shameful on India's part
This is not about the british need to feel superior but its ONLY british evangelical taqiya.

britshit "aid" to India is all about ensuring that their "aid workers" have free and unhindered access to tribals, "dalits", economically weaker sections of society etc so that they can undermine our culture and spread their fundamentalist ideology and create divisions in Indian society.

Their "aid" is nothing more than stirring up marxist trouble and supporting rabid EJs to proselytise. Almost every urban naxal is connected to some western or paki "aid" outfit.

If we haven't seen the true reason for their "insistence" in "providing" aid then we have got the wrong end of the atithi devo bhava stick, as usual.

If there was no "aid", wouldn't there be some very uncomfortable and legitimate questions as to what the hell these gora creeps were doing in such sensitive areas and why they were spending so much of time there??

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