The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Vikas » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:15 am

Mort Walker wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:32 am
Anyone who does not pay income tax must have their voting rights removed. Too many useless, uneducated scum in public who deserve disenfranchisement. Voting is a privilege, not a right.
Voting is a right! Since when did Voting become a privilege. This is very westernized jaundiced view of the election process.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:16 am

I would rather Modi set the bar high with DeMo and GST than wait for some time in the future for something that may never happen.
Yes, construction workers are affected but it should have been more than made up by the massive investment in infrastructure. The poor are getting free health insurance, less inflation, free houses, mudra loans to go with it. It's a good deal, IMO.

Modi made his 5 years count as 10 years. Even if Modi did not win again, I would take it. At least it will show up the contrast with scamgress if they deviate too much from the plot when they come back to power.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by la.khan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:03 am

Amidst all the doom & gloom for us Dharmics, here is a breather.
Supreme Court dismisses all pleas relating to Rafale deal in huge breather for Centre: 'Satisfied with process of procurement,' says CJI

Hopefully, this will shut RaGa up about Rafale forever :)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Dumal » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:07 am

Vikas wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:15 am
Mort Walker wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:32 am
Anyone who does not pay income tax must have their voting rights removed. Too many useless, uneducated scum in public who deserve disenfranchisement. Voting is a privilege, not a right.
Voting is a right! Since when did Voting become a privilege. This is very westernized jaundiced view of the election process.
Not just unjust but also plain dangerous! We cannot and should not let our present frustrations lead us to crazy ideas like unequal franchise. Already I hear some foreign-funded and -feted commies proposing voting for "intellectuals" only, meaning "wouldn't be great if we can stuff institutions and community leadership with commies and only let us have voting rights so that all of these rightist fundoos cannot sweep away elections!!!".

Reminds me of reading some pre-independence history from 1900's when the Muslim League managed to browbeat Congies into giving them some sort of "controlling vote" such that muslim-majority areas would always be represented by them. We should be glad that none of those hangovers exist now.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Chandragupta » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:27 am

Sachin wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:10 am

Chandragupta wrote:Let us be honest, Indians are not East Asians or Americans that they will work by a system, we are corrupt, lazy & freeloaders and we don't want anyone to disturb us when we are eating the pie someone else paid for.
Then we need to be more honest and admit that INC and Nehru-Ghandis are our apt rulers. The British would be the best; but don't think they want to start building colonies again ;).
And they have for better part of the 70 odd years. Yatha praja tatha Raja. :facepalm:
Vikas wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:15 am
Mort Walker wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:32 am
Anyone who does not pay income tax must have their voting rights removed. Too many useless, uneducated scum in public who deserve disenfranchisement. Voting is a privilege, not a right.
Voting is a right! Since when did Voting become a privilege. This is very westernized jaundiced view of the election process.
Also, if Mort ji's suggestion was implemented, that means most of the Hindutva crowd will be disenfranchised. We know what India's education system produces - first grade dhimmis. Not sure if we want to be ruled by a bunch of dhimmis & hand over India to abrahamics on a platter.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Aditya_V » Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:57 am

This is the essence of INC thinking, no wonder they have ruled for soo long

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... sc-ve.html
Senior party leader Jyotiraditya Scindia said that the clean chit to Modi government is not a setback as the issue is still live in the “people’s court” and Congress will continue to raise it in the Parliament.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by hanumadu » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:05 am

When you have media beholden to you, they can keep raking the issue.

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Post by Vikas » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:34 am

There is shortage of Labor in almost every industry and agri so this claim of joblessness doesn't add up.
Those crying hoarse over losing state elections should remember that most of the incumbent govts are kicked out in India unless the opposition is a Joke like in TG or OR.
It is a great achievement that MP and CG govts could last as long as they did.
Unless we go back to the days of D-4, BJP will be a strong contender in any elections across India in foreseeable future so take a bow Amit Shah.

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Post by Triank » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:20 am

Aditya_V wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:57 am
This is the essence of INC thinking, no wonder they have ruled for soo long

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... sc-ve.html
Senior party leader Jyotiraditya Scindia said that the clean chit to Modi government is not a setback as the issue is still live in the “people’s court” and Congress will continue to raise it in the Parliament.
so what else would you've expected them to respond with, that "okay we were in the wrong & this clears it for us; we were mistaken. congrats to the govt. let's move on"?! there're no confessions & admissions in political business, more so with the congoons. they pat themselves on their backs with 'moral victory' even in the harsh face of abject defeat, & 'factually correct' the 'erring' winners that infact they didn't win wholesomely afterall. and ofcourse they cant digest their victory too, as is evident with the ongoing riots among themselves.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Sachin » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:21 am

Vikas wrote:There is shortage of Labor in almost every industry and agri so this claim of joblessness doesn't add up.
I remember some one in GDF stating that in states like RJ lot of youngsters became "degree holders" and were expecting jobs based on their degrees (most preferring Govt. jobs). This kind of an expectation will never work. Small & Medium businesses etc; are not considered as a "job/employement opportunity" by many people. That kind of mentality would only exist within states, communities which are more into "business".

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Mort Walker » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:28 pm

It’s actually pretty simple. You don’t pay income tax - you don’t vote. One of the suggestions that never saw the light of day in 1947 was that non Hindus in a partitioned India could remain but could not vote.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by la.khan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:10 pm

Triank wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:20 am
Aditya_V wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:57 am
This is the essence of INC thinking, no wonder they have ruled for soo long

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... sc-ve.html
Senior party leader Jyotiraditya Scindia said that the clean chit to Modi government is not a setback as the issue is still live in the “people’s court” and Congress will continue to raise it in the Parliament.
so what else would you've expected them to respond with, that "okay we were in the wrong & this clears it for us; we were mistaken. congrats to the govt. let's move on"?! there're no confessions & admissions in political business, more so with the congoons. they pat themselves on their backs with 'moral victory' even in the harsh face of abject defeat, & 'factually correct' the 'erring' winners that infact they didn't win wholesomely afterall. and ofcourse they cant digest their victory too, as is evident with the ongoing riots among themselves.
Triank ji: well put! This may be inadvertent but your above highlighted description of Cong(I)s fits our neighbours to the NW too ;)

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Hari Seldon » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:17 pm

One hears a lot of 'Govt should say this or that to counter opposition or correct some narrative or communicate noble intent or clear the air on something' etc.

Just won't work, IMHO, coz the media is not interested in getting any damage-control message out.

IMHO, the right platform for GoI's elected leadership, esp the PM, to speak his mind is parliament itself - protected by law from judasial scrutiny too for utterances in parlmt.

A guy can dream and I hope Modi ji will fully,m formally and finally raise the elephant in the room issue of institutional discrimination against and the denial of a level playing field to the H community. I hope he will make a case in parlmt, openly and unapologetically for why the protections and privileges currently available only to mainorities - such the unfettered rights to run their schools, shrines, religious endowments and properties sans state interference - be also extended to the H community nationwide.

I know, like I said, a guy can dream and all that but should Modi ji say the above in parlmt, will there be any harm done to Modi ji's saintly image? his statesman persona? his vikas purush reputation? Just wondering only.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:18 pm

Mort, that is unconstitutional.

I am glad they appointed Kamal Nath as CM. May be Gehlot will be CM too. EXpect them to be big failures.

Demo and GST should go hand in hand as the latter prevents or reduces further generation of BM. The two had to be done together to have any effect. The traders and businessmen thought Modi was bluffing about BM and it was business as usual. Even if Modi looses he has done great service to India by making these ***** stop cheating or at least making it difficult. They are like the leeches that suck blood silently. They along with many self-employed people are still not paying IT. At some point that has to be fixed.

Meanwhile, Hindu Samhati has won its first seat in Assam panchayat election.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:45 pm

BJP is winning Assam panchayat elections. Modi should go all out for the votes of poor and lower middle classes who have benefited from his schemes.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/a ... 2018-12-14

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Mort Walker » Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:47 pm

When Kangress and Mahachorbandhan come to power 6 months from now, BM avenues will open again. There will be wilful attempts to weaken GST and change its collection infrastructure.

So what if Kamalnath and Gehlot fail? These guys are not for ruling but for filling pockets. They will begin the ripoff in earnest and continue for the next 5 years. Nothing to stop them because they know most of the people can be fooled most of the time.

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Mort Walker » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:27 pm

Supratik,

Unconstituonal?

I just looked it up. There have been over 100 amendments to the Indian constitution since 1950. Most of them have happened during Kangress rule.

We need UCC, full repeal of Art. 370, and restrictions on voting rights.

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Post by bharotshontan » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:39 pm

I have proposed a tiered voting rights system such that the fewer number of children entitles one to higher number of votes, simultaneous with rewarding more girl children as well.
https://desirajneeti.quora.com/Revisiti ... n-one-vote

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Re: The Great Indian Political Drama - 3 (Oct 2018 - )

Post by Mort Walker » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:47 pm

bharotshontan wrote:
Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:39 pm
I have proposed a tiered voting rights system such that the fewer number of children entitles one to higher number of votes, simultaneous with rewarding more girl children as well.
https://desirajneeti.quora.com/Revisiti ... n-one-vote
An excellent idea. One hopes to live long enough to see things like this actually happen.

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Post by Mort Walker » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:54 pm

In 2013 less than 29 million filed IT returns. In 2018 over 68 million filed IT returns. And the percentage is increasing in double digits in the next few years. For this the BJP. IMHO has been punished.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:58 pm

Yes

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:00 pm

The only hope are the poor and lower middle class who are 70% of pop and don't care about GST, IT as their income is too low.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:08 pm

And that rise in IT will be mostly from the trading/business community even if you account for natural growth. Salaried people already paid taxes.

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Post by Supratik » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:09 pm

Add to that the loss in income from having to pay GST.

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Post by ricky » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:13 pm

Bharotshontan ji, that is a terrible, terrible idea based on the very real grounds of sexism, 0.25 for girls, 0.75 for boys,0.5 for men/women; with the summation deciding a tier?? So, is a boys understanding so worthless, that it only reaches a value equal to the other gender when he reaches 18 or becomes married (what of unmarried "boys"?) what ass backwards logic, or is the girls value as a voter diminished when she gives birth and is relegated from 0.25 to 0.5?

Society is built on many things, but the most important is one of family, wanting to have and raise your own blood should not be penalized or demonized. Some people may long after brood parasitism but ones fetish should not be foisted on others.

And for the rest of you enlightened folks wanting to cut off voting RIGHTS for people who did not vote for your favourite party, or Indian idol contestant, good going. If people are sheep to be brought off with a few gifts, you throw it at them, you dont sermonize from the top of a rock and tell others that you know what is best for them. That is how politics is played, if youre getting antsy over it because one party has been strutting about their high horses, at least dont come up with dystopian ideas.

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