The Great Indian Political Drama - 1 (Oct 2017 - Mar 2018)

[chetak]

[Hari Seldon]

Beginning of the end? Swarajya comes straight out to declare that the odds are against Modi in 2019. Its the economy, stupid, and all that. Ostensibly. Only.

The Economy, Stupid: Why The NDA Faces A Rocky Road To Re-Election (Swarajya)

[Indrad]

Intelligence services indicates Naxals behind Koregoan violence.
Over last week of 2017 meetings were held in Pune & Mumbai by Yalgar Council which is a naxal front in urban India.
Even a senior woman naxal commander was present.
Objective of stir was to use Dalit as front but use naxal cadres to destroy govt property as much as possible.
Raise a narrative : 'सबक दिया है भीमा-कोरेगांव ने, नई पेशवाई दफना दो कब्रिस्तान में।'
gist: Term new govt in Delhi as Peshwai and use Dalit to bury them.
Many journalists like NIkhil Wagle, portals like The Wire (commie) have been spreading venom as to how this govt is anti Dalit.
Wagle was personally present at Juhu police station through out agitation and tweeting Dalit has been arrested not a saffron guy..when will you wake up Dalit..

https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/i ... mpaign=web

[hanumadu]

Won't there be a reverse polarization with all this Dalit Muslim comraderie?
In Gujarat, there was a reverse polarization of OBCs with the patel agitation. And those are considered sticky votes for BJP where as patel votes aren't for congress.

At the very least, the janeu dhari Brahmin stunt is useless for RG going forward. And the association with muslims will put off many Dalits. If BJP can convince that congress is playing divide and rule and BJP can serve their interests better, it will get free OBC, upper caste consolidation for it.

[KL Dubey]

That article had a very sophomoric feel to it.

Beginning of the end? Swarajya comes straight out to declare that the odds are against Modi in 2019. Its the economy, stupid, and all that. Ostensibly. Only.

The Economy, Stupid: Why The NDA Faces A Rocky Road To Re-Election (Swarajya)

[MehtaRahulC]

Jignesh Mevani's Koregaon speech video - same speech video from two different sources

some 22 minute long. The speech has lots of defamation against RSS-leader Sri Modiji, BJP leader Sri Mohan Bhagwatji and super-elitemen Sri Mukeshbhai Ambaniji . But afais, nothing provacative , nothing that can be showed as something that incited violence, and nothing that shows sedition or treason etc

The dude worked as journalist, has LLB, and has worked as laywer's assistant (or may even would have worked as lawyer). So he knows how to speak "legally correct" and "politically correct". Just like Sri Modiji once allegedly said in 2002 said "hum panch hamare pachhees" and later nothing got proved from that speech.

Filing case for such speech will make him a hero in dalit. If thats the rss's goal, then well - what can I tell.

Now, is there any other speech he made in koregaon? Because this speech doesnt seem to have anything except defamation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrT2pCvf374


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZuQlXspi2M

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In the speech, Jignesh Mevani lies about what Sri Modiji said in a book titled "Karmyogi"

here are the links about what Modiji actually may have said

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Reposito ... MDA3MDA%3D

https://www.quora.com/Did-Narendra-Modi ... out-Dalits

[SSundar]

That article had a very sophomoric feel to it.

Beginning of the end? Swarajya comes straight out to declare that the odds are against Modi in 2019. Its the economy, stupid, and all that. Ostensibly. Only.

The Economy, Stupid: Why The NDA Faces A Rocky Road To Re-Election (Swarajya)

Classic case of mistaking correlation with causation. People don't vote governments out because of an obscure metric of 5 year comparative performance.

[crams]

Entire caste violence orchestrated by Congoons and leftists is being blamed on these 2 guys

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/meet- ... 180104.htm

For a change, I did some aggressive counter by BJP. Congoons think they are too clever by half, they orchestrate, then very quickly cite one or 2 excesses by anyone close to BJP/RSS and spin their narrative. And note also the slime-balls have made this a Brahmin Vs Dalit issue. This way, they think they can draw a wedge between Brahmins and other Hindus. Think about it, 70+ years of Congoon rule, and who is to blame for the plight of Dalits (and in general, all of India's economic/social ills)? As per Congoon narrative everything started in May 2014, and before that India was a garden of Eden. Unfortunately, even a half-brained media will question Congoons, but sad reality is that the 2 are cahoots with each other.

That said, if we look at the big picture, its clear that what happened in Maharashtra is part of a larger ideological battle. Dalits want to assert themselves. Nothing wrong with that. But some things they want to believe and do are deliberately provocative. I mean celebrating British and claiming caste oppression by Brahmins is a bigger evil. Surely that would be the case, but its more an orchestrated grievance today because there is no official sanction of caste oppression. Indian govt has bended over backwards to accommodate all castes. And its sad to see Dalits being used by Congoon/leftist mafia in their diabolical game-plan to wrest power from BJP. No doubt regressive social attitudes remain, but blaming BJP/RSS for this and hatred of Brahmins is the height of vile political opportunism. And that too when you consider that BJP/RSS have done more than Congoons to politically accommodate Dalits and OBCs.

[Hari Seldon]

Within a year of Kejriwal sarkar, Kejri had lost the middle class - ardent supporters till then. e'd started to pander exclusively to the non-I-T-paying class of urban 'subalterns' - slumdwellers, autowalas and the like at the expense of anti-corruption and governance (his core planks the middle class had lapped up. Sure, the lower income class have more votes, so politically sensible. But their votes are no less fickle than the middle class' and have since drifted away despite kejri's freebie promises.

Point being, the wheel when it turns can be swift indeed. I recall UPA 2 looking unshakeable in 2009-10, riding high on farm loan waivers and MNREGA and other NAC boondoggles. How the wheel and mood and narrative and image turned by 2011-12.

Can only hope Modi sarkar doesn't see its fortunes turn similarly in the last lap. As a well-wisher of Indic values, I certainly don't want a UPA-ish sarkar returning to power.

[crams]

Guys, does anyone know why the TimesNow Newshour website is not getting updated. I see the same old debates a week or so old

http://www.timesnownews.com/the-newshour

[Sachin]

And note also the slime-balls have made this a Brahmin Vs Dalit issue. This way, they think they can draw a wedge between Brahmins and other Hindus.

Looks like a pilot scheme was launched in Kerala way back in 2008-2009 time frame. Kerala saw a murder of an aged man, who was out for a morning walk. He was apolitical, had no criminal record and had no known enemies. The police first investigated the political angle, then they checked up on the usual list of terror organisation (Islamic, non-Islamic varieties), but still could not get conclusive evidence of their involvement. Finally they zeroed into a new out-fit which was said to be a pro-Dalit, Revolutionary/Terrorist outfit which was just evolving. The murder was to show their arrival. I don't know what magic the K.P did, but this organisation soon lost its sheen after this 'arrival performance'. There was also one chap who was strutting around with a name of Dalit Bandhu, and it was only then it also came out in the open that he was actually Dalit bandhu N.K Jose .

[MehtaRahulC]

Ahmedabad Magistrate issues non bailable warrant against RSS-leader Sri Pravinbhai Togadia in an old 1996 case. The case does NOT involve congress or cpm or minorities. All leaders and workers involved in the case, victims as well as alleged aggresors, were ALL from rss (rss = bjp = vhp = one and the same). Its basically "parivar" dispute which went to police and courts.

In 1990s, RSS-leader Sri Togadiajee , RSS-leader Sri Modiji, and RSS-leader Sri Keshubhai Patel etc were one team. And RSS-leader Sri Shankersingh Vaghela , and many RSS-MLAs had defected and were working to align with congress. So on 20-may-1996, RSS MLA Sri Atmaram Patel was seriously beaten and all his clothes were stripped and was made to run from statium premises to road. The event in stadium premises were hosted by RSS leaders and all persons there were from RSS and none from congress or cpm. Over 100 policemen were there and all were ordered to sit , look aside and not act. RSS MLA Atmaram Patel and his supporters later alleged that RSS leader Sri Togadiaji etc were behind the plot. Nothing happened in that case till date. No one has accused any congress leader for plotting or ordering policemen to look aside. I cant name The Alleged Mastermind behind this plot on this forum.

Now all of a sudden, Magistrate has issued a non bailable warrant against RSS leader Sri Togadiaji in this old 1996 case

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... s-5012212/.
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Attempt to murder case: Non-bailable warrant against VHP leader Praveen Togadia, 38 others

The Ahmedabad Metropolitan court on Thursday issued non-bailable warrants (NBWs) to VHP leader Pravin Togadia and 38 others, including BJP MLA from Daskroi (Ahmedabad), Babu Jamnadas Patel , in the 1996 attempt to murder case. The warrants were issued to ensure the presence of all accused in the case before the court on January 30.

The case pertains to a BJP event at Sardar Patel Stadium in Ahmedabad on May 20, 1996. Then senior BJP leader Atmaram Patel and several other leaders of the party were attacked allegedly by Keshubhai Patel loyalists. Atmaram Patel, a Shankersinh Vaghela acolyte, had to flee as his attackers pulled at his dhoti. The incident, known as the “Atmaram dhoti kaand” brought the internal rebellion within the BJP to the fore and eventually led to Vaghela breaking away from the BJP to launch his own party.

A complaint was lodged by Atmaram Patel with .....

Now all of a sudden, some 22 years later, Magistrate has issued NON BAILABLE warrant against RSS leader Sri Togadiaji on that may-1996 beating case. WHY?

Why such hurry? Why not wait for another 20 years?

Because as rumormill reports, Sri Togadiajee is aiding RSS-leader and Gujarat Minister Sri Nitinbhai Patel and also aiding Hardik Patel !!! So to pressurize RSS-leader Sri Togadiajee, RSS-apex-leader Sri Modiji and RSS-leader and CM Sri Rupaniji have taken out a 21 year old case from cold storage and put that in first gear !!!

So such is our prosecution and judges. As long as accused is in good term, all cases against him remain in cold storage. And when accused becomes politically difficult to manage, police cases and court cases from his previous lifetime and pull out and put in first gear !!! Each person uses law ONLY for PERSONAL plotting. There is zero sense of justice in anyone from Deputy PM to peon, and from SCCj to Magistrate -- all political parties included be congress or rss or aap or cpm or bsp. Lets see how this case goes

[Hari Seldon]

This is a serving GoI minister speaking, with a verified account, on twitter.

Heartening to know that people in GoI are well aware of what's going on. Maybe they're even doing something about it, without our knowing.



Would love it if more mantris tweeted Indic and nationalist sugar openly. Only.

[Hari Seldon]

Seems GJ poll result post mortem is happening.

Internal as in sangh affiliated frenemies who worked against BJP in GJ are being sent strong signals, via old cases and what not.

Heck, if the sangh cannot unite behind Modi sarkar, then what hope of the diverse mass of castes and languages, regions and what not in the broader Indic parivar, hain jee?

BTW, fact that internecine fights get nasty is well known. Modi went hammer and tongs against sanjay joshi at one time.

Wish the same hard knuckles were shown against the BIF crowd. However, the leniency shown to the likes of rrNDTV flies against this hope. Sadly.

[chetak]

Ahmedabad Magistrate issues non bailable warrant against RSS-leader Sri Pravinbhai Togadia in an old 1996 case. The case does NOT involve congress or cpm or minorities. All leaders and workers involved in the case, victims as well as alleged aggresors, were ALL from rss (rss = bjp = vhp = one and the same). Its basically "parivar" dispute which went to police and courts.

In 1990s, RSS-leader Sri Togadiajee , RSS-leader Sri Modiji, and RSS-leader Sri Keshubhai Patel etc were one team. And RSS-leader Sri Shankersingh Vaghela , and many RSS-MLAs had defected and were working to align with congress. So on 20-may-1996, RSS MLA Sri Atmaram Patel was seriously beaten and all his clothes were stripped and was made to run from statium premises to road. The event in stadium premises were hosted by RSS leaders and all persons there were from RSS and none from congress or cpm. Over 100 policemen were there and all were ordered to sit , look aside and not act. RSS MLA Atmaram Patel and his supporters later alleged that RSS leader Sri Togadiaji etc were behind the plot. Nothing happened in that case till date. No one has accused any congress leader for plotting or ordering policemen to look aside. I cant name The Alleged Mastermind behind this plot on this forum.

Now all of a sudden, Magistrate has issued a non bailable warrant against RSS leader Sri Togadiaji in this old 1996 case

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... s-5012212/.
.
Attempt to murder case: Non-bailable warrant against VHP leader Praveen Togadia, 38 others

The Ahmedabad Metropolitan court on Thursday issued non-bailable warrants (NBWs) to VHP leader Pravin Togadia and 38 others, including BJP MLA from Daskroi (Ahmedabad), Babu Jamnadas Patel , in the 1996 attempt to murder case. The warrants were issued to ensure the presence of all accused in the case before the court on January 30.

The case pertains to a BJP event at Sardar Patel Stadium in Ahmedabad on May 20, 1996. Then senior BJP leader Atmaram Patel and several other leaders of the party were attacked allegedly by Keshubhai Patel loyalists. Atmaram Patel, a Shankersinh Vaghela acolyte, had to flee as his attackers pulled at his dhoti. The incident, known as the “Atmaram dhoti kaand” brought the internal rebellion within the BJP to the fore and eventually led to Vaghela breaking away from the BJP to launch his own party.

A complaint was lodged by Atmaram Patel with .....

Now all of a sudden, some 22 years later, Magistrate has issued NON BAILABLE warrant against RSS leader Sri Togadiaji on that may-1996 beating case. WHY?

Why such hurry? Why not wait for another 20 years?

Because as rumormill reports, Sri Togadiajee is aiding RSS-leader and Gujarat Minister Sri Nitinbhai Patel and also aiding Hardik Patel !!! So to pressurize RSS-leader Sri Togadiajee, RSS-apex-leader Sri Modiji and RSS-leader and CM Sri Rupaniji have taken out a 21 year old case from cold storage and put that in first gear !!!

So such is our prosecution and judges. As long as accused is in good term, all cases against him remain in cold storage. And when accused becomes politically difficult to manage, police cases and court cases from his previous lifetime and pull out and put in first gear !!! Each person uses law ONLY for PERSONAL plotting. There is zero sense of justice in anyone from Deputy PM to peon, and from SCCj to Magistrate -- all political parties included be congress or rss or aap or cpm or bsp. Lets see how this case goes

Something wrong with this approach??

It is the art of realpolitik.

If anyone ever had the chance, they would have done such a thing a long time ago.

A rat or snake that enters your house intent on doing you harm, needs to be kicked very hard in the head so that other rats/snakes get the message.

The case will go according to how well the message is received and UNDERSTOOD.

Didn't you keep very quiet when Amitbhai went to prison??

[fanne]

Chetak Sir, can I request you not to use quote. It defeats the purpose of putting someone in the blocked list. It has nothing to do with truth or right or wrong. Two reasons - You don't want to hurt yourself (high BP) and 2) Don't waste time reading something for half an hour, when that time can be well utilized somewhere else.
You have every right to read and reply. Please do not use quote.

[crams]

So the contours of Congoon strategy are very clear:

1. Bring Muslims and Dalits together under one umbrella through pukes like Umar Khalid

2. Split the Hindus by focusing on Brahmins

I am not sure what all this Brahminism BS is all about that is bandied around, other than to drive a wedge between Hindus. So for example, this crap

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/only- ... 180104.htm

[Indrad]

congress has been smart there has been a vacuum after Mayawati unable to win & no dalit leader in sight.. con is trying to fill the void with mewani types..

How far he will be accepted as a national dalit leader only time will tell: at opportune moment he will be internised in congress. Hardik has been sent to exile.

Dalit are being used as shield by BIF. One option is to ignore mewani but go after Umar Khalid types w iron hand.

Media is trying to mix up dalit w Muslim
BJP shd try to break that .

[SSundar]

Indian Railways apparently painted two TN stations with heritage paintings - Velankanni (with Christian significance) and Kanchipuram (Hindu symbolism). Within days, several "Dalit" organizations converged on the Kanchipuram station and vandalized the paintings of Hindu saints with slogans asking for the elimination of Hinduism.

No news on this in MSM.

Based on the last FB post I saw, 4 EJs have been arrested.

[SSundar]

Media is trying to mix up dalit w Muslim
BJP shd try to break that .

BJP made a Dalit the President of India. But they cannot seem to get a strong and visible face as a Central Minister or Party functionary to show their own inclusiveness. This is a major weakness.

[crams]

Sundar, I disagree. BJP is any day much much more inclusive than the motley combination of elite western wannabes (tell me will one of those elites preaching to BJP about Dalit rights and Brahminism leave their Lutyen luxury abodes and come within one mile of Dalits?), jihadis, and "intellectual" Dalits, and other break India forces.

I means lets call a spade a spade even though this cannot be articulated in public. Those whole crap has nothing to do with Dalit rights. Its everything to do with unseating BJP from power. And in this, the strategist b@stards remote controlling the whole machination are exacerbating traditional caste fault lines. They know BJP's trump card is Hindu consolidation and they are thwarting that by playing one caste against another, or shall we say Brahmins Vs other Hindus.

So no matter what BJP does or which face they put out, the scum bags orchestrating this charade through a plaint Delhi media will find something else. In the circumstance, I completely concur with ModiJi's strategic silence and speak only at the opportune moment. But BJP spokesman must go on the offensive on TV shows.

[chetak]

Indian Railways apparently painted two TN stations with heritage paintings - Velankanni (with Christian significance) and Kanchipuram (Hindu symbolism). Within days, several "Dalit" organizations converged on the Kanchipuram station and vandalized the paintings of Hindu saints with slogans asking for the elimination of Hinduism.

No news on this in MSM.

Based on the last FB post I saw, 4 EJs have been arrested.

saw the same news earlier on twitter too, along with their photos.

Looks like 2 males and 2 females.

KANCHIPURAM RAIL STATION VANDALISED
Sunday, 24 December 2017 | Kumar Chellappan | Chennai | in Sunday Pioneer


A group of youngsters vandalised the Kanchipuram Railway station on Friday night leading to tense moments in and around the temple town. Activists reportedly belonging to Periyar Dravida Kazhagam, Viduthalai Chiruthaikal Katchi (VCK) and a faction of the Maoists vandalised the railway station and defaced the paintings of Adi Sankaracharya, Ramanujar and Kanchi Kamatchi Temple displayed in the railway station.

Since there were no policemen around, the activists had a free run. One of the VCK leaders in his social media posting claimed responsibility for defacing the paintings. “We will get the symbols of Hinduism removed from all public faces. Gradually we will remove the religion itself from the country,” said the posting in Tamil.

The railway station was being renovated and re-painted as part of the Pilgrimage Tourism announced by the Government of India, according to sources in Southern Railway. “Kanchipuram and Velankanni railway stations were being renovated as part of this programme. While Velankanni station would feature the paintings of the famous church, Kanchipuram station was expected to have the paintings of Sri Sankara, Ramajunar and the temple,” said KT Raghavan, BJP spokesman.

Arjun Sampath, leader of Hindu Makkal Katchi, condemned the act and alleged that it was the continuation of the exhortation made by VCK leader Thirumavalavan to his aides to demolish all temples in the country. “There has been an increase in the attacks on Hindu places of worship after his call to his followers,” said Sampath.

He said the paintings of Adi Sankaracharya, Ramanujar and Kamachi Temple were displayed in the station taking into account the cultural and historical importance of Kanchipuram. “We also have a painting of a dargah in nearby Nagur railway station,” he said.

Police have registered a case and efforts are on to restore the paintings.

[vinod]

Didn't Rahul himself say he is a hardcore Brahmin? So, congis will remove him and replace with dalit leader?

[SSundar]

Sundar, I disagree. BJP is any day much much more inclusive than the motley combination of elite western wannabes (tell me will one of those elites preaching to BJP about Dalit rights and Brahminism leave their Lutyen luxury abodes and come within one mile of Dalits?), jihadis, and "intellectual" Dalits, and other break India forces.

No disagreement whatsoever. I am just saying that the BJP needs to have a highly placed Dalit who can speak the language of Dalit solidarity with Modi. The President of India cannot carry that message. Just see how vocal Rijiju is on messages proclaiming that the Northeast is strongly behind the PM.

[SSundar]

Didn't Rahul himself say he is a hardcore Brahmin? So, congis will remove him and replace with dalit leader?

Hey, but he did have roti and subzi at a Dalit's house once. That makes him an honorary Dalit.