Bharat Ganrajya

Not having Jadeja and Ashwin is costing the team in both dept. They are both more economical in the bowling dept. than the pair of leg spinners we have playing in their positions and in batting they contribute a lot more and at a much brisker rate, important in ODI.

The current India NZ series is such a drab that the last match didnt even find a mention on the cricket dhaga

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Pakistan vs Sri Lanka, 2nd T20I :

SL 124/9 (20.0 Ovs) CRR: 6.2

105 for 1 in 16 Overs to 124 for 9 wkts, in 20 Overs – 8 Batsmen plus Mr. Extra scoring in Single Figures – Only one passed the Magic Figure of 5 Runs! The Sri Lankans could only muster 18 runs off the last 23 balls and lost 8 wickets! This result after beating the Terroristanis comprehensively in Both Test!

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India vs New Zealand, 3rd ODI

IND 337/6 (50.0 Overs)
IND 252-1 (40.0 Overs)
IND 165-1 (30.0 Overs)

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India demolishes NZ T20. The downside is Pakis get to be the no 1 in T20 now.

Dhawan and Dhoni need to go. Ch dhawan laughs and is in his own world even if India loses. Dhoni has been ridiculous. He can't remain an on-field consultant.

Why is Dhoni still playing international T20Is?

1) He hasn’t done anything special at the last 2 T20 WCs.

2). He will be 39 years old at the next T20 WC (in Australia).

Why don’t India groom a young batsman-keeper for the next T20 WC?

Didnt he score 49 in last t20 ?

dhoni has become like yuvraj...unsure of role.

this idea of one person holding/rotating and another person hitting is so old school..

look at the english team..they go at it both ends. having real allrounders adds so much depth to their lineup and frees up their specialists to keep hitting even if wickets fall.

jamwal wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:50 am

Didnt he score 49 in last t20 ?

His strike rate was less than 100 for most of the innings, when the situation demanded 200. Not only that, if you watched the match you'd know he struggled like a tailender, unable to hit shots.

jamwal wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 06, 2017 9:50 am

Didnt he score 49 in last t20 ?

If you only saw the scorecard after the match you would think he had a decent game however for the first 20-25 balls of his innings his timing was all over the place. He couldn’t hit the big shots and nor did he give Kohli the strike enough.

Sure once the game was lost he hit a few boundaries and finished with a respectable score (on paper).

India vs New Zealand, 3rd T20I - Greenfield International Stadium, Thiruvananthapuram

INDIA 67/5 (8.0 Ovs)
NEW ZEALAND 60/6 (7.5 Ovs)

India won by 6 runs (Match reduced to 8 overs per side due to rain)

India Won the Series 2 : 1
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Yea, but now Pakis are no 1 in T20 and looks like will stay there for a while.

Blaming Dhoni for the loss in the 2nd T20 is misplaced. Dhoni came to bat in the 10th over, game was already lost by the end of 12th/13th over when Dhoni had hardly faced around 6-8 balls and scored even number of runs. RR then had climbed to almost 15, requiring a strike rate of almost 250% for the remaining 7 - 8 overs (100 in 42 deliveries), that is an insane asking rate against a very good NZ bowling side Commentary.

This match was lost due to Colin Munro superlative hitting, 100 in less than 50 balls. India dropped him 3-4 times, that did not help either. Mo Siraj disastrous debut, conceding 52 runs in 4 overs, and collapse of Indian top batting order ( Rohit 5 in 6, Dhavan 1 in 4, Sreyas 23 in 21, and Pandya 1 in 2).

Problem in the team in not Dhoni, but the #4 and #5 batting positions. Previously we had hitters like Yuvraj and Raina in those positions, we are yet to find a suitable replacements for them.

shreyas and pandey need to be given more matches to fail if needed..if we keep shifting players after a few failures, we will never get anybody to stay there for long.

dhoni's problem is he is unsure when he should take lead and hit. he tried to take singles and that does not work always. when no dot ball can be afforded, the first option is to hit and second option to take single if ball is not there to hit.

dhoni's failure was - his first option was to take single and that's a bad strategy when RR is above 10.

Guys, my take. And I am saying this not as a knee jerk response but after careful evaluation of Dhoni's performance past several games. I feel that he has lost his big hitting magic. I mean that 2nd T20, he was woeful. And mind you, I don't believe NZ bowlers were that menacing. Of course they were not feeding him juicy half volleys or long hops, but the Dhoni of the old would have adjusted his foot work, movement etc on a predictable decent batting wicket like that to get into a position where he could convert good length deliveries to be hittable. But in this game, he looked pathetic as also many games before. He was blindly swinging or he just didn't have enough space to score some big hits.

So, I hate to say this, but just as he did when he was a younger captain, he asked selectors to drop seniors like Dravid and Laxman in favor of more agile youngsters, he should do that same. So I will not consider it non Kosher anymore to consider an Indian T20 11 sans Dhoni. But his keeping is still brilliant. So in the 1-day 50 over format, I am still in 2 minds.

If I was part of the team management, I would consider Dhoni as an excellent wicket keeper who is more than handy with the bat and that should guarantee him a place in the side. However it is time to stop seeing him as the go to guy in lower middle order. The lower order/ end overs hitting strategy just cannot revolve around him any more. Yes he is still firing in odd games and is still a valuable player down there but we need two guys in positions 4 and 5 who will anchor the innings before things go to Dhoni. He should be allowed to play freely without having to strategise about taking singles or hitting.

Those whining about Dhoni's performance including me have to answer one key question. Who will replace Dhoni? No easy answers to that. But on balance I'd say Dhoni does look very fit and agile, and that in and of itself is an asset.

But that said, I re-iterate his batting has been woeful. He is simply unable to hit those big sixes when required and off good deliveries, especially deliveries that are short of good length and don't give him enough room. He seems cramped. Now to be fair to him, how many batsman can score off such deliveries. De Velliers maybe? The big hitting WI batsman? Even Hardik Pandya has been found wanting past few games after his hurricane 88 against Aussies.

crams wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:59 pm

Those whining about Dhoni's performance including me have to answer one key question. Who will replace Dhoni? No easy answers to that. But on balance I'd say Dhoni does look very fit and agile, and that in and of itself is an asset.

But that said, I re-iterate his batting has been woeful. He is simply unable to hit those big sixes when required and off good deliveries, especially deliveries that are short of good length and don't give him enough room. He seems cramped. Now to be fair to him, how many batsman can score off such deliveries. De Velliers maybe? The big hitting WI batsman? Even Hardik Pandya has been found wanting past few games after his hurricane 88 against Aussies.

Along with the reflexes and physical ability going down with the age its also a mental block which Indian cricketers put themselves in around this age to prolong their careers. Same thing happened with Sachin, Kapil Dev, Azhar and many more. In the last T20 Dhoni didnt even turn around to look at Pandya for a second run off the last ball, he had already made up his mind - thats a classic example of the mental block. This is when their cricket becomes absolutely boring as there is no special value added to the team's winning chances.

what's the point in going for a suicidal run...knowing that wickets lost may affect the DL calculations when its rain affected?

dhoni is being judged against expectations from his past..he may be a bit below his own past, but is still ahead of peers in india and at par with top keepers of other international teams

This kind of argument would have suited the 80's and 90s but not for the Indian team of today where every game played is a game won. I have not seen international players change their core style of playing just because they got older apart from Indian cricketers, except may be fast bowlers who want to avoid injuries, in that sense too Indian pacers have been at the fore front. We tend to hang around our idols way too much even when they are past their prime. The argument that there is no better replacement for Dhoni can only be tested if others are given a longer stint in international cricket. And if Dhoni can play why can't Raina?

by Crams
Those whining about Dhoni's performance including me have to answer one key question. Who will replace Dhoni? No easy answers to that. But on balance I'd say Dhoni does look very fit and agile, and that in and of itself is an asset.

I will include him in any team just because of his ability to read the game and adapt to the situation. He is excellent Captain! and currently has helped Kohli to have a level head at any point of the game and adapt/fix as game evolves. Just look how he won the T20s by much less margins!

Just watched Sreesant's interview in republic. Anyone knows what happened there? He said there are many top players accused in some report. He didn't get any help from Indian senior cricketers. Was he made scape goat?

I liked Ravi Shastri overall, and prefer him as coach over Kumble (but not how Kumble was treated), but this is ridiculous to say.

Look at your career before commenting on Dhoni: Shastri
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spo ... 643760.cms

He's taunting Agarkar and Laxman and telling them to shut up because Dhoni has a better career than them. That means the top superstars are beyond criticism.

Shastri Hai Hai!